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scuudz 
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 Topic: On Their Day...Posted: 12 March 2007 at 8:09pm |
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I think Shahid Afridi would be my pick for best inconsistent batsman since he averages only 23 in ODIs but can be explosive and demoralize the opposition when hes on song.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 8:13pm |
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Tank, my brain is spinning when I read you said Martyn was inconsistent. Please get it in your head that you can't make runs every match. People may say that Gillespie and Martyn were not good players because of the 2005 ashes but I know other wise. One bad series don't make you a bad or inconsistent player when you had years of success before!
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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scuudz
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 8:25pm |
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Damien Martyn averages over 46 in tests (67 tests) and over 40 in ODIs (208). How is that inconsistent??
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Pietersen Fan
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 8:31pm |
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if i got
100, 0, 12, 36, 0, 0, 100, 120, 12
id have an average of around 50
am i consistant?
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scuudz
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 8:49pm |
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Hard to say when you are just looking at 9 scores but I would have to say no. However, if you have an average of close to 50 after close to 70 tests, it means you have some class. Statistics can lie over short periods of time but over 70 tests, they definitely give you an idea of how good (or bad) a batsman is. |
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Jamie
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 9:06pm |
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Martyn wasn't consistant. When he got runs, he just got big runs, that's why his record is so good.
He didn't get past 50 much and not get a ton, and a big ton at that.
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scuudz
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 9:37pm |
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I disagree.
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bondy
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 9:54pm |
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An average is an indication of consistency over a long period of time. If we go my Jamie's philosophy then Lara, Tenduklar and Steve Waugh are also inconsistent. Marytn had an average around 50 over 70 tests. His average is an indication of his consistency, moreover to be a fixture in the Australia side throughout the last 8 or so years you had to be consistent as there was so much competition for your place.
Case closed.
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Good one Graham!
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scuudz
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 10:03pm |
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Thank you, Mr. Bond. Thank you very much.
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bondy
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 10:05pm |
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That's okay, I like to see good player's get there kudos.
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Good one Graham!
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tonks007
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 10:39pm |
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Let me make this clear. Martyn was picked for Australia in 1991/92 season. Retired in 06/07 season. Yes he had an average of 46 but throughout his entire career he was dropped numerous times for his poor performances and managed to only score 13 centuries in 70 odd tests. In Australian batting terms, that is inconsistent. He had the timing and cricket brain to be so much more but never achieved what he could have. I will say this again. On his day he was fantastic but when he wasnt he was poor. Im pretty certain thats what this thread is about??? "On their day".......
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even the sun shines on a dogs ass some days
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143no
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 11:05pm |
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Does twice count as numerous? Don't forget what the aussie team acheived over that period, you struggle to stay in that team if you don't contribute consistently. I would have nearly gone the other way, saying was consistant, but never really got the big scores.
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Monkey see, Monkey do.
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tonks007
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 11:17pm |
I think you just admitted he was inconsistent!
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scuudz
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Posted: 12 March 2007 at 11:56pm |
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Tonks you said in Australian batting terms, he was inconsistent. I am talking in terms of world cricket, a batsman like Martyn would have walked into any country's XI. Martyn, who played quite a prominent role in Australian cricket this decade in such a fantastic team, would not have been around for that long had he been an inconsistent batsman. |
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BOBBI
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 12:27am |
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Look at the class that could not manage to saty in that side. Hussey was a passenger for a decade. langer lost 5 years.
Matryn lost 5 years.
Ponting himself was dropped only to come back better as was Hayden. Every batsman in history is inconsistent or they would average huge amounts. The Don was inconsistent!
Say Martyn on his day was awesome yes but anyone on a bad day is woeful.
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Judge the player not by their stats, but by their opposition.
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BOBBI
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 12:30am |
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I struggle with classifing players.
I put players into categories like orthodox and non orthodox. I watch Gilly, Afridi, Jayasaria, Gayle and the sort and love to watch them because of their outrageous strokeplay. I love watching Kallis, Ponting and Dravid for their picture perfect execution of classical strokes. On their day all are a wonder to behold but which would you prefer to watch or bowl to? I am undecided. Please comment.....
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Judge the player not by their stats, but by their opposition.
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tonks007
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 12:41am |
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So very true Bobbi! Probably the most intelligent post in this thread.
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even the sun shines on a dogs ass some days
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BOBBI
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 12:49am |
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Keep talking Tonks, I could use the praise. I just lost a game of connect 4 to my 5 year old son.
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Judge the player not by their stats, but by their opposition.
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scuudz
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 12:56am |
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Well said, Bobbi!! I agree with you 100% .
As for your question, I personally would prefer to watch and bowl to the second category of batsmen. This is because to me, a beautifully timed cover drive is more exciting than a thunderous thump over mid-wicket for six. I guess it just depends on what kind of cricket-lover you are. I've seen Kallis hit great deliveries for six over cover and it just amazes me every time I see it. Also, I believe that players in the first category are more likely to get runs off good-deliveries by means of edges/slogs and the sort rather than dispatching them to the boundary by playing proper cricket shots.
As a bowler (and I wouldnt really know since I am mainly a batsman), I guess it would be less frustrating to bowl to a Dravid than to a Jayasuriya because when Dravid hits a good length ball down the ground for four, you have just got to put your hands up and say 'it was a great ball but an even better shot'. Some of Jayasuriya's unorthodox shots would have the bowler pulling his/her hair out more often than not.
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BOBBI
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 1:11am |
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Here here. There is nothing more frustrating than having a guy swing ing from the ring and bowling great balls only to have them swiped away. When you are put away by a good shot you silently applaude.
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Judge the player not by their stats, but by their opposition.
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Sledger
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 4:54am |
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No question that correct players are easier on the eye. I'd
rather watch a ton where the ball never left the deck than one
containing 8 6's! (if they were scored in about the same length of time
that is!)
We're off topic here fellas - let's try and be more consistent!  |
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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Mojo
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 7:23am |
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A batsman who I believe could execute some of the most beautiful strokes on his day was SA's Andrew Hudson. He could have been the greatest batsman ever if he only showed more consistency. Truely graceful and elegant when on form.
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Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here may not necessarily reflect the opinions of any other forum members. They are the express property of Mojo.
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Sledger
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 7:32am |
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Lovely timer of the ball Hudson , pity his greatest ever test innings
was his 1st in the West Indies! He never seemed to scale the
heights again after that which was slightly disappointing. I enjoyed
watching him though and he was a throroughly decent fella too.
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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bondy
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 9:40am |
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Fleming's not too bad to watch on his day, that hundred at the last WC against South Africa still amazes me to this day.
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Good one Graham!
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BOBBI
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 11:15am |
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I love watching plaers like Vettori, Lee, Pathan, Vaas, guys who are not good enough to be called all ronders but guys who have some ability have good days. Shane Warne towards the end could fall into the category of all rounder but watching these guys brings joy to my heart because you can see their annoyance and heart ache when they fail. the opposite joy of success on the day is inspiring and why we watch the game.
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Judge the player not by their stats, but by their opposition.
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scuudz
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 11:43am |
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I remember when Romesh Kaluwitharana was first sent to open the batting for SL. What a great time he had??!!!! Would have been fantastic for SL if he was more consistent with the bat.
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Sledger
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 12:44pm |
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Highly unlikely to happen was it? The lad was sent it to send it and in 1996 did a pretty good job of it!
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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scuudz
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 12:48pm |
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You bet he did. Jayasuriya was at his explosive best right at that time too. Add DeSilva. Magic!!
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Sledger
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 1:03pm |
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The old man could well repeat the feat in the coming weeks mate!
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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scuudz
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Posted: 13 March 2007 at 1:50pm |
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I doubt it but he could very well make me eat my words. For India's sake, I hope he doesnt fire on all cylinders.
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