Cricket Forum | Cricket Discussion Forum | Cricket : Extreme Pace http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Cricket Forum | Cricket Discussion Forum | Cricket : Coaching : Extreme Pace Copyright (c) 2006-2009 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 22 May 2013 09:02:32 +0000 Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:35:43 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 9.71 360 www.cricketworld.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3569 Cricket Forum | Cricket Discussion Forum | Cricket http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_images/logo.png http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/ Extreme Pace : I think if your a fast bowler,... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=139655#139655 Author: jhj87
Subject: 3569
Posted: 12 June 2007 at 2:35pm

I think if your a fast bowler, and I mean a bowler who is trying to bowl as fast as he can, you should never slow down. Even if you are inaccurate. Slowing down wont really help you, what will is correcting your biomechanics and working on your action. Like practise bowling off 4 steps and just grooving your action, not trying to bowl fast and then after doing this for a while come off your full run up and try and bowl fast.]]> Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:35:43 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=139655#139655 Extreme Pace : At a young age I'd concentrate... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=132908#132908 Author: bondy
Subject: 3569
Posted: 16 May 2007 at 12:01am

At a young age I'd concentrate on bowling as fast as you can. Accuracy will come and can be worked on, even if it is a comprise for pace.
 
At your level I'd work on a stock ball that penetrates the batsman. Other than that I'd experiment with extreme pace and clever slower balls. Overtime with experience, swing and the ability to move the ball will come.
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Subject: 3569
Posted: 15 May 2007 at 11:22pm

I know nothing at all about bowling ........... so what kerm said ^

Edited by W.G. - 15 May 2007 at 11:22pm]]> Tue, 15 May 2007 23:22:00 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=132894#132894 Extreme Pace : You will get some pains in your... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=132889#132889 Author: Kerm
Subject: 3569
Posted: 15 May 2007 at 9:48pm

You will get some pains in your body from fast bowling, first because your muscles are getting used to it and secondly because the human body just isn't designed to propel a ball in the manner in which cricket players do it.

If your back is hurting excessivly it probably means your hips and shoulders are not lined up and this is causing your spine to twist, which is as damaging as it sounds, go through your action slowly and work out where where shoulders and hips line up. they should be parallell.


Edited by Kerm - 15 May 2007 at 11:23pm]]> Tue, 15 May 2007 21:48:13 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=132889#132889 Extreme Pace : Also, will i be damaging my back... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=132888#132888 Author: jwp266
Subject: 3569
Posted: 15 May 2007 at 9:41pm

Also, will i be damaging my back bowling like tait? im 6 foot 3 and i have felt some discomfort after bowling, is that just because i haven't been bowling fast for long?]]> Tue, 15 May 2007 21:41:41 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=132888#132888 Extreme Pace : ^ thanks for those sites, got... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=131438#131438 Author: Smack
Subject: 3569
Posted: 09 May 2007 at 2:48am

^ thanks for those sites, got some good info on them.]]> Wed, 09 May 2007 02:48:59 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=131438#131438 Extreme Pace : No sense in this talk (I liked... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=131346#131346 Author: shaazthegreat
Subject: 3569
Posted: 08 May 2007 at 2:31pm


No sense in this talk (I liked the straight lines one though). What's important is focus. As you run up, visualize the ball bouncing at a certain speed at a high speed and even the seam position ( for swing ). The skill for bowling fast and accurate is the skill of how well you can visualize the ball.
You'll get better and better. What's important is your run up - it should be rhythmic and slowly accelerate.
You never think about your action - your brain processes it.
A famous golfer let his secret out ( I don't remember the guy). He said before every shot he closed his eyes and imagined the ball landing right where he wanted it to. Then he would rewind it, and he would see him playing the shot (internally, not from an outside view).
You could do something similar.
For more info on :
a) Bowling Biomechanics (Science) : http://www.coachesinfo.com/category/cricket
b) Visualization : http://ezinearticles.com/?Cricket-Tips:-Visualisation:-The-Key-to-Cricket-Success?&id=36790
c) Cricket Coaches and Experts Forum: http://cricketsecrets.com/phpBB2/index.php
d) Greg Chappell's coaching site : http://www.chappellway.com.au
e) Psychology, fitness etc : http://www.harrowdrive.com
:D
Shaaz

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Subject: 3569
Posted: 04 May 2007 at 10:20pm

extreme fast bowlers are told to do one thing - run in and bowl quick
 
accuracy can be learnt, pace is more a natural attribute so if you have you cannot abandon it.


Edited by TCA123 - 04 May 2007 at 10:20pm]]> Fri, 04 May 2007 22:20:31 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=130684#130684 Extreme Pace : ^ Pace is relative. Even 75-80+... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128959#128959 Author: Smack
Subject: 3569
Posted: 27 April 2007 at 12:34am

^ Pace is relative. Even 75-80+ is quick at club level and can rush batsmen. I doubt anyone here is a county or international player so you dont necessarily have to be pushin 85+ to be considered pacey.
 
I think do what comes naturally to you. Personally i bowl at a fair lick but whenever i cut down my pace and go for accuracy i end up getting smacked. When i just try to bowl fast it works for me.
 
If your fast but lack accuracy then my advice would be to get a lot of bowling practice under your belt. Theres no point changing your action or trying to be Glenn McGrath if your naturally a Shaun Tait, cuz it probably wont work. Just practice hitting a line and length at full pace.
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Subject: 3569
Posted: 26 April 2007 at 5:48pm

I find it unlikely you will be fast enough to warrant excessive wildness. Even if you bowl at 85mph+ if you are spraying it everywhere you aren't going to get chucked the ball very often until you learn control.]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:48:55 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128917#128917 Extreme Pace : I always tell people to go by... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128854#128854 Author: spin wizard
Subject: 3569
Posted: 26 April 2007 at 2:12pm

I always tell people to go by their style and not anybody else style. If you are doing it right that is. If you bowl leg break out of the back of the hand and get wickets, do it!]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:12:50 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128854#128854 Extreme Pace : Well go through your runup slowly... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128636#128636 Author: Kerm
Subject: 3569
Posted: 25 April 2007 at 9:46pm

Well go through your runup slowly a few times and work out where thestraight lines are, in general you want your shoulder and hips to bepretty straight, by that i mena it doesnt matter what angle they are atas long as they are parralel. This helps in two ways, it cuts down thestrain on your body and the chance of injury and it gives you morepower ad your hips can generate alot of extra speed and if your notstraight then you will lose quite alot.

With most bowlers i'd say work on your arm as well, make sure that whenyour at the top of your action your bowling arm is in a straight linedown your body with your opposite leg but as your not orthadox thatwont help you very much. 

Most people who sling it alot have a very long delivery stride, theydive in, plant their back leg and lean a really long way forward withtheir leading leg, this will make you go very low but it must help insome way (I cant give much advice on this i have never tried it, justcomments from watching Tait and Malinga, the two who seem best at thisform of bowling) I assume it means you can then catapult your entirebody forward using your hips and upper body and then sling your armthrough.

So just basically go through your action step by step and work out how you can get your body to produce more speed.
]]> Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:46:39 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128636#128636 Extreme Pace : so should i try and go orthodox... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128633#128633 Author: jwp266
Subject: 3569
Posted: 25 April 2007 at 9:39pm

so should i try and go orthodox or stay as a i am now, a brett lee run up witha  tait like release?

Also, my follow through when i thrust my shoulder to the left(right handed bowler) i fall along way accross, is that ok?


thanks in advance
]]> Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:39:22 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128633#128633 Extreme Pace : The extreme pace isn't entirely... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128625#128625 Author: Kerm
Subject: 3569
Posted: 25 April 2007 at 9:16pm

The extreme pace isn't entirely what gets Tait his wickets, it helpsobviously but the fact the batsmen (and indeed the bowler...) have noidea where the ball is going so they cant plan for it. Also the pacecombined with the angle that both he and Malinga let go of the ball atmeans its very hard to pick up the trajectory of the ball in the0.49-0.59 of a second or whatever that you have to react to a bowlerbowling in the 90s.

I'd say everything in cricket is about comprimise although this is onlymy view, extreme pace on its own probably wont get you many wickets,even pinpoint accuracy at 60mph is unlikely to get you all that mucheither. Either for what matter will swinging the ball, changing thepace of the ball or cutting the ball off the pitch if you have noaccuracy.

I'd say you need to have all the basics first before really becomminggood at doing one thing, personally my accuracy is pretty good, noMcgrath but it goes generally the right area and i've worked on my paceto get it to the point where its threatening enough considering whatthe ball is doing elsewhere either through the air or off the pitch. SoI guess my advice would be to follow coaching but to know your owngame, play to your own advantages and know how you want to play. If youwant to bowl at high pace then do that.
]]> Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:16:53 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128625#128625 Extreme Pace : sticking to the textbook100% of... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128624#128624 Author: Pietersen Fan
Subject: 3569
Posted: 25 April 2007 at 9:01pm

sticking to the textbook 100% of the time never got anyone anywhere
 
look at murali, malina, tait, lara, pietersen
 
thats why vaughan will never be as good as some of the greats because he plays by the textbook too much
 
im not saying that you should go completly against stadard cricket but adding your own twist on things is what makes good players great
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Subject: 3569
Posted: 25 April 2007 at 7:13pm

Depends on the coach - the likes of Fletcher, yes, Dav Whatmore, no.]]> Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:13:51 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128600#128600 Extreme Pace : Hey,Watching TV today, i was watching... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3569&PID=128599#128599 Author: jwp266
Subject: 3569
Posted: 25 April 2007 at 7:10pm

Hey,

Watching TV today, i was watching tait get a 4 for. Yet all the advice i hear is about accuracy, he has none and gets wickets? Also his actions buckles and would be avoided due to back problems.

I have an action like his (not quite as low) and get loads of pace, but not as much accuracy.

Doesn't tait go completely against coaching? As does maligna for that matter.

James
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