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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 5:06pm

Sledger, it's the trait of Jamaicans, they are absolutely quite laid back so sometimes, by knowing that, I really don't get on Gayle's case because that.  There is usually a saying when you ask a Jamaican to do something and they reply "soon come".  That soon come actually takes a very long time.  Gayle isn't emotional really so its hard to know whether he cares or not but if you noticed closely when he was out to Gul, he was a quite disappointed with himself, the facial expression changed and he knew he messed up big time.
 
Don't know if you guys ever paid attention to Marlon Samuels too but he's another that is very "cool".  They are very relaxed personality most of the time and can't read much from them, they are poker faces.
 
Vote4peace, Sehwag has got some nasty natural talent, he mightn't be the best batsman the game has seen but his hand eye co-ordination has got to be up there with the very best and that's what has gotten him all that success.  He was already getting back into touch before Gary came around by the way.  He was a good player before, got dropped because he was outta nick (in ODI's anyway, he still was good in Tests) but came back a far better player.
 


Edited by spin wizard - 25 March 2011 at 5:08pm]]> Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:06:50 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213865#213865 Group B Discussion : Well you would know better than... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213849#213849 Author: daisy77
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 2:16pm

Well you would  know better than me. I dont really follow Indian cricket like how you would. At least he has changed now....]]> Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:16:58 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213849#213849 Group B Discussion : That's my point Sehwag was... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213841#213841 Author: vote4peace
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 1:02pm

That's my point Sehwag was never so consistent until 3 years ago. Really seemed to be completely at sea under Greg Chappell's( Was never fond of Sehwag) term. Then Gary happened for India & Sehwag totally reformed as a player.
Another thing that probably works for Sehwag is he knows there's enough talent in the batting line-up to make-up in case he fails. Helps free one's mind .
]]> Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:02:11 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213841#213841 Group B Discussion : Yeah maybe he has his priorities... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213835#213835 Author: daisy77
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 12:42pm

Yeah maybe he has his priorities out of order. You can't compare Sehwag to Gayle though. He still delivers most of time and is more consistent than Gayle.

]]> Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:42:56 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213835#213835 Group B Discussion : Originally posted by SledgerI... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213824#213824 Author: vote4peace
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 10:13am

Originally posted by Sledger

I often think that Gayle's temperament is the problem.  There's been plenty written about his laid back persona - the archetypal West Indian , but could it be that cricket just isn't that important to him ?  Whether he gets a big hundred or a big zero he leaves the field at that snail's pace - maybe he just doesn't value his wicket enough.


I remember very similar comments being made of Sehwag not too long ago. And then Gary came along. Maybe that is what Gayle needs the right mentor to get his mind back, Clear and Free...
]]> Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:13:04 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213824#213824 Group B Discussion : I often think that Gayle's... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213814#213814 Author: Sledger
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 5:48am

I often think that Gayle's temperament is the problem.  There's been plenty written about his laid back persona - the archetypal West Indian , but could it be that cricket just isn't that important to him ?  Whether he gets a big hundred or a big zero he leaves the field at that snail's pace - maybe he just doesn't value his wicket enough.
]]> Fri, 25 Mar 2011 05:48:51 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213814#213814 Group B Discussion : You always need a batsman like... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213806#213806 Author: spin wizard
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Posted: 24 March 2011 at 7:16pm

You always need a batsman like Gayle in your side Daisy.  Sledger though summed him up pretty nicely.  The only thing that troubles Gayle is swing and seam movement because of his concrete feet.  When that is out, bowling doesn't trouble Gayle.  I've seen Harmison in his pomp to Gayle and Gayle still battered some pull shots with ferocious power yet got carried away and was going after pitched up ones and got his stumps rooted.  Saw him start to carnage Lee in Barbados one time, then he drilled a bullet to mid off, similar like how he was out against Pakistan.  Gayle plays spin quite well and the fastest of bowlers isn't much of a bother to him either.

Edited by spin wizard - 24 March 2011 at 7:17pm]]> Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:16:42 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213806#213806 Group B Discussion : Originally posted by Sledger... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213794#213794 Author: daisy77
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Posted: 24 March 2011 at 1:14pm

Originally posted by Sledger

[QUOTE=spin wizard]


     That's his problem SW , it's about playing the conditions and your lads don't do that very well!  How often is Gayle undone by great bowling ? The truth is , not very often , he gets himself out.
I completely agree with you Sledger. They really did not playing well under those conditions in their last match against Pak. To me, all of the west indians excluding sarwan and chanderpaul could not handle the spin bowling. Those spin bowlers had the west indian batsmen looking very uneasy, uncomfortable and out of sorts. I agree with what you said about Gayle too. With him, it's either he makes a big score or he goes cheaply. What is the point of a 3 or 4 fours and then getting out? That does not do much damage unless it's coming down to the end of the innings and it's a tight run chase but that's never the case because Gayle is an opening batsman. It seems he's more of a slogger than anything else although I'm not disputing the fact that he plays some his shots wiht style. At the end of the day, having a batsman that you could depend on is more important than a quick flurry of runs and the west indies definitely does not have that in Gayle
]]> Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:14:06 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213794#213794 Group B Discussion : Originally posted by spin wizardI'm... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213793#213793 Author: daisy77
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Posted: 24 March 2011 at 1:09pm

Originally posted by spin wizard

I'm all for the Indian's now Daisy, those Indian batsmen are too attractive not to like!
 
India has the best batting line up but I'll stick with the English! They'll be my team but I don't have much confidence in them sadly because of their inconsistency. ]]> Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:09:47 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213793#213793 Group B Discussion : Originally posted by spin... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213776#213776 Author: Sledger
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Posted: 24 March 2011 at 5:22am

Originally posted by spin wizard

Pity with Gayle though, stroked 3 good shots but picked out the fielder with one!  Would have been different had it been a pitch like Barbados!


     That's his problem SW , it's about playing the conditions and your lads don't do that very well!  How often is Gayle undone by great bowling ? The truth is , not very often , he gets himself out.
]]> Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:22:48 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213776#213776 Group B Discussion : I'm all for the Indian's... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213773#213773 Author: spin wizard
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Posted: 24 March 2011 at 3:21am

I'm all for the Indian's now Daisy, those Indian batsmen are too attractive not to like!
 
Pity with Gayle though, stroked 3 good shots but picked out the fielder with one!  Would have been different had it been a pitch like Barbados!
]]> Thu, 24 Mar 2011 03:21:43 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213773#213773 Group B Discussion : so now that WI are out....I guess... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213763#213763 Author: daisy77
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Posted: 23 March 2011 at 3:50pm

so now that WI are out....I guess the team Ill have to support is Eng...Hope they dont disappoint like WI though]]> Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:50:34 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213763#213763 Group B Discussion : What a game!! Actually it was... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213761#213761 Author: daisy77
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Posted: 23 March 2011 at 3:45pm

What a game!! Actually it was like a no competition at all! Pak blew the WI clear out of the WC. Very good bowling performance by Afridi and his men. The west Indian batsman could not handle the spin bowling at all. I think the only two batsmen that were able to play the spin were Chanderpaul and Sarwan. everyone else were troubled.]]> Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:45:36 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213761#213761 Group B Discussion : You are right there is no match... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213760#213760 Author: kahmad
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Posted: 23 March 2011 at 8:45am

You are right there is no match to Gayle to be destructive Batsman, but there is also no match to Umar Gul to get out such batsmen. Gul is in form of his life.]]> Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:45:06 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213760#213760 Group B Discussion : Pakistan bowlers look out for... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213753#213753 Author: spin wizard
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 10:53pm

Pakistan bowlers look out for Gayle, he was in a rampant mood against England I don't think he'll play any different tomorrow.  In the shorter format of the game, there is hardly any who is more destructive than Gayle (Sehwag is no match to Gayle in the shorter format when it comes to being destructive).  Umar Gul will have to watch those length balls, they could be sailing way into the stands.

]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:53:22 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213753#213753 Group B Discussion : Absolutely, Gayle remains the... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213746#213746 Author: sam_ahmed
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 5:30pm

Absolutely, Gayle remains the key and I would agree that form will not count for much in case of Pakistan, that is how they have always been. Not 50-50 but i'll put 60-40 in favor of Pakistan because overall PAK have a better team.

It is a very big game, and I'll surely be nervous about it, rumors are that Ajmal may play while Shoaib will continue to sit out.

Regarding Ind-Aus, Good point by V4P, a slow wicket would help, if they can prepare one in a short span of time without doing anything silly, then well and good, otherwise I would not mind a good surface, yes AUS are good on flat wickets but even then IND will have the advantage with such a power packed Batting line up and people like Zaheer who can reverse.

by the way this is not Group B discussion, we should discuss all this in the "Finals" thread.!
]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:30:16 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213746#213746 Group B Discussion : Form hardly ever matters with... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213742#213742 Author: zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 1:49pm

Form hardly ever matters with Pakistan - this is the way they have always played the game. It will be a tough contest - last time Pakistan met Windies in a world cup game - they were comprehensively beaten by a weak team. Gayle's stay at the wicket could decide the fate of the match.]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:49:59 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213742#213742 Group B Discussion : Yeah his experience is important... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213740#213740 Author: daisy77
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 1:43pm

Yeah his experience is important but he really has not had any form so far in this world cup and honestly PAK has been playing good cricket thus far in the competition so they do like the favourites for this quater final match]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:43:12 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213740#213740 Group B Discussion : Chanders has to play. His experience... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213739#213739 Author: zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 1:40pm

Chanders has to play. His experience will count in such a crucial game. It will be a 50-50 thing - no clear favorites. ]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:40:33 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213739#213739 Group B Discussion : The west Indies batting failed... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213737#213737 Author: daisy77
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 1:38pm

The west Indies batting failed them in their last two matches so hopefully they take that into consideration and make some changes so the same thing would not happen against Pak God willing. ]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:38:31 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213737#213737 Group B Discussion : Originally posted by zuhair_abbasiSledge,... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213736#213736 Author: daisy77
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 1:36pm

Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

Sledge, Had west Indies won, they would have been playing against Australia on the neutral venue and not Sri Lanka in their back yard. West Indies would have finished second, had they won - to play Aussies who finished third in their group.
Yeah so maybe it's a good thing that they lost because they stand a better chance against Pak than Aus]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:36:43 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213736#213736 Group B Discussion : Originally posted by vote4peaceAnd... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213735#213735 Author: daisy77
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 1:33pm

Originally posted by vote4peace

And wow that Bravo Six of ashwin very much la BCL. They need to get a lot more of the other batmen at the moment look over reliant on Gayle. WI very much become like the Indian team of old where once you get Sachin would mean the rest would follow.
I believe that Bravo models himself after Lara. Yeah I agree with the domino effect of the west indians' wickets (sadly). It's gona be a tough game against PAK but Pak are clearly the favourites for that match. They should beat the windies but you never know with Pakistan. ]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:33:56 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213735#213735 Group B Discussion : Aussies need to strengthen their... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213734#213734 Author: zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 1:23pm

Aussies need to strengthen their batting and should draft in either David Hussey or Ferguson in place of Smith - because when Ponting did not have faith in him to bowl against Pakistan - India is a class apart. Smith is a waste if he is not bowling.]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:23:11 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213734#213734 Group B Discussion : Unquestionably it will be... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213733#213733 Author: vote4peace
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 12:51pm

Unquestionably it will be a tough encounter. The Aussies know how to win the big games and will come down hard on India. They'll be at each others throat  throughout the match, as a matter of fact even before the 1st ball is bowled.  Neilson is already at it with the mind games.
 
India goes into the match as the bookies favourite. Do think ,despite their bowling woes, if they get the right pitch they could be threatening in that case 55-45 india.
 On a placid batting track they are going to suffer 50-50 chances then.


Edited by vote4peace - 22 March 2011 at 12:52pm]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:51:27 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213733#213733 Group B Discussion : May well be a dustbowl mate. India... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213731#213731 Author: zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 10:54am

May well be a dustbowl mate. India might play three spinners and that may or may not work. I clearly do not see any favorites in the tough battle that it is going to be. Something tells me it is Watson's time to score a ton.]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:54:51 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213731#213731 Group B Discussion : Originally posted by sam_ahmedIndia... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213726#213726 Author: vote4peace
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 9:37am

Originally posted by sam_ahmed

India will have to be careful though, a "turner" could mean the Toss can play a crucial factor and in a KO game it is always good to play on a level field not leaving much to chance. I would want it to be a good batting wicket, it can backfire big time if they start to do silly things. (remember Calcutta in 1996 and BAN twice in this very WC)


On the contrary I think India's chances could get a lot better were they to play on , I wouldn't say turner but a slow paced wicket like the one we saw at Colombo when they played Pak. They've always done well on good batting wickets where the pitch has stayed true. They clearly seemed to dislike those pitches where one would've to graft it out, would rather prefer the usual Indian pitch where the ball would come on well.
 Indians on the other hand seem to be much better than the Aussies at playing the grafting role on those slow tracks ( their last game being a good illustration).
Remember again the Australian's have a good record in India ( their last series here went 4-2 in their favour ) where they mostly got good batting tracks. My proposal would be to prepare a slow track against them, read not a 'dustbowl'.


Edited by vote4peace - 22 March 2011 at 9:39am]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:37:25 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213726#213726 Group B Discussion : Oh , I didn't realise they'd... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213719#213719 Author: Sledger
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 6:28am

Oh , I didn't realise they'd finish second mate!  I'd prefer Australia before Pakistan , so maybe they were trying!]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:28:43 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213719#213719 Group B Discussion : Sledge, Had west Indies won, they... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213716#213716 Author: zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 6:21am

Sledge, Had west Indies won, they would have been playing against Australia on the neutral venue and not Sri Lanka in their back yard. West Indies would have finished second, had they won - to play Aussies who finished third in their group.]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:21:05 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213716#213716 Group B Discussion : So Bangladesh are out - there... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213715#213715 Author: Sledger
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 6:07am

So Bangladesh are out - there can't be any complaints either , they were dire in two matches.   No comments here from the Windies fans about the final match - I said if it'd been England I'd have been praying for them to lose !  Think about it , win and play Sri Lanka in their own back yard or lose and play Pakistan on neutral territory - it's a no brainer isn't it ? 
            All the games look tight , but I expect SA and India to win with the others pretty tough to call. England will have to be right on their game to beat the Lankans in Columbo - I just hope the toss doesn't settle it.  Pakistan must start favourites against the Windies , but I won't be betting on the outcome !

               So finally we reach the sharp end of the tournament - Are Australia in decline ? Can Swann trouble the likes of Jayawardene and Sangakkara ? Will Gayle marmalise Gul at the top of the innings?  Will SA choke ?    We'll know by Saturday night !


Edited by Sledger - 22 March 2011 at 6:08am]]> Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:07:00 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213715#213715 Group B Discussion : India looked good in their last... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213710#213710 Author: sam_ahmed
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Posted: 21 March 2011 at 5:43pm

India looked good in their last game but that win was always expected, I'm happy with the way Yuvraj has played in this WC though... have to say Raj's prediction as far as Yuvi was concerned was spot on, if only I had gone by that my fantasy team would have been in a much better position!!! :( instead I mostly went with Gauti and Zaheer, although they did OK, Yuvi was far better.

Ashwin was always going to be a much better option than Chawla and yes he can make the difference against AUS. India will have to be careful though, a "turner" could mean the Toss can play a crucial factor and in a KO game it is always good to play on a level field not leaving much to chance. I would want it to be a good batting wicket, it can backfire big time if they start to do silly things. (remember Calcutta in 1996 and BAN twice in this very WC)
]]> Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:43:28 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5228&PID=213710#213710