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Subject: 4970
Posted: 31 August 2009 at 12:53pm

Originally posted by milkman

It's inevitable bladescape, makes me sad... I have a lot of good memories of some top games in the past. Nothing like a thrilling day/night game at the MCG. The should just change ODIs to 40 overs per side and have 15 of those overs as powerplays/fielding restrictions. 


I got a tape of the match where Bevan and ...McGrath I think? won the match at the very end.

I really like watching that one again,a pity I didn't see it live!]]> Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:53:30 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199249#199249 New talent : It's inevitable bladescape,... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199204#199204 Author: milkman
Subject: 4970
Posted: 29 August 2009 at 1:06pm

It's inevitable bladescape, makes me sad... I have a lot of good memories of some top games in the past. Nothing like a thrilling day/night game at the MCG. The should just change ODIs to 40 overs per side and have 15 of those overs as powerplays/fielding restrictions. ]]> Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:06:40 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199204#199204 New talent : Dropping ODI's? Fingers... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199188#199188 Author: bladescape
Subject: 4970
Posted: 29 August 2009 at 5:52am

Dropping ODI's?

Fingers crossed,I'm hoping for the idea to flop........ ]]> Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:52:54 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199188#199188 New talent : I enjoy ODI`s, 2020 my friends... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199177#199177 Author: spin wizard
Subject: 4970
Posted: 28 August 2009 at 5:11pm

I enjoy ODI`s, 2020 my friends is still very new and still in it`s attractive state.  As is the case with most products, they lose their taste after a while and overdoing too much of a good thing makes it decline faster.  In my opinion, this just seperates the genuine fans from fans of the game and those who just love entertainment.  All the genuine fans will have a look at all the version, I does even waste my time and watch the most incompetent lads play cricket. ]]> Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:11:19 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199177#199177 New talent : 40 and 50 over cricket are very... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199164#199164 Author: milkman
Subject: 4970
Posted: 28 August 2009 at 11:25am

40 and 50 over cricket are very similar, so for mine it's not the worst decision. However, if they dropped both of those but the ICC kept ODIs as is, then you'd be picking guys for ODIs on the basis of their longer form (4 and 5 days games) and 2020 performances. That's not very useful. Picking guys for 50 over cricket on the basis of their 40 over performances isn't a massive thing and you're right there.]]> Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:25:07 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199164#199164 New talent : English cricket is awash with... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199163#199163 Author: W.G.
Subject: 4970
Posted: 28 August 2009 at 10:23am

English cricket is awash with competitions and something had to give.  Cricket has to evolve to survive and the removal of the 50 over game is seen as a shrewd financial move.  I've always preferred the 40 over format, but that probably goes back to sitting down after sunday dinner to watch the John Player as a kid.  I also don't go with Solanki's claim that the loss of the 50 over game at domestic level will leave players undercooked for international one dayers ... most of the current line up play few domestic matches as it is.
]]> Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:23:07 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199163#199163 New talent : My problem with what England have... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199123#199123 Author: milkman
Subject: 4970
Posted: 28 August 2009 at 4:54am

My problem with what England have done is that if they do not end up dropping ODIs from the international circuit, then no one in County Cricket will be playing 50 over cricket, which doesn't make a lot of sense. 
        I do however think that 50 over cricket will be dropped and it's just nonsense to me. We've had it for over 30 years now and it has established records and statistics. Everything that Sachin or Wasim has done has been done in vain.
]]> Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:54:19 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199123#199123 New talent : The fears are coming true. I remember... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199122#199122 Author: zuhair_abbasi
Subject: 4970
Posted: 28 August 2009 at 4:47am

The fears are coming true. I remember when this debate started on tis very forum about T20's threat to other forms of cricket, only a couple of guys supported my view. i am afraid they will end up playing a game of 40 overs with two innings of 20 overs each per side. this idea has already been presented to the ICC according to a PCB official.]]> Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:47:02 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199122#199122 New talent : 2020 is taking over cricket, England... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199121#199121 Author: milkman
Subject: 4970
Posted: 28 August 2009 at 4:28am

2020 is taking over cricket, England are going to stop  playing 50 over cricket at the limited overs level and after 2011 WC the ICC are going to review the state of 50 over cricket. Ominous signs for ODI cricket lovers, like myself, but it's a good thing for someone like Sohail who does well in 2020. Techniques and styles will have to change a lot.]]> Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:28:50 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199121#199121 New talent : That is my point mate - perhaps... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199120#199120 Author: zuhair_abbasi
Subject: 4970
Posted: 28 August 2009 at 4:20am

That is my point mate - perhaps I put it badly]]> Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:20:18 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199120#199120 New talent : I don't think Sohail has... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199114#199114 Author: milkman
Subject: 4970
Posted: 28 August 2009 at 3:55am

I don't think Sohail has a weak technique. The way he bowls can and has proven to work and Proctor is the no. 1 example. He needs to work on his game more because he has potential]]> Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:55:20 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199114#199114 New talent : I would slightly disagree here... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199111#199111 Author: zuhair_abbasi
Subject: 4970
Posted: 28 August 2009 at 3:49am

I would slightly disagree here Milks. Tanvirs, Malingas and Proctors cases are different from the lot. Being unorthodox and having a weak technique should be categorized separately for me.

Edited by zuhair_abbasi - 28 August 2009 at 3:50am]]> Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:49:53 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199111#199111 New talent : Wasim Akram saw Sohail Tanvir... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199107#199107 Author: milkman
Subject: 4970
Posted: 27 August 2009 at 4:12pm

Wasim Akram saw Sohail Tanvir as a young player and did not tell him to change his wrong footed approach. Tanvir has shown sparkles of brilliance at IPL and international cricket. He's not a bad player, certainly he plays the way that suits him.]]> Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:12:20 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199107#199107 New talent : I guess this is why the average... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199096#199096 Author: spin wizard
Subject: 4970
Posted: 27 August 2009 at 1:28pm

I guess this is why the average players make the best coaches!  They know where they went wrong so can help another player achieve better.  ]]> Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:28:47 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199096#199096 New talent : I think we all agree , the joy... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199079#199079 Author: Sledger
Subject: 4970
Posted: 27 August 2009 at 6:17am

I think we all agree , the joy of cricket is the infinite variety , the ability to surprise. The first time I saw Malinga I thought it nothing short of miraculous that the ball consistently was gun barrel straight and I still find my eyebrows at my hairline with practically every delivery! (I might be grey , but I've still got plenty!).
            WG , great to hear that your brother coaches the game with a commonsense attitude. The first priority as I see it is the kids must enjoy the game firstly and as they mature then address any issues that will improve his/her game. I was never more than average at the game , but it brought me great pleasure for 45 years ,(old) man and boy.
]]> Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:17:37 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199079#199079 New talent : Yeah, Lee is phenomenal. You can... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199056#199056 Author: spin wizard
Subject: 4970
Posted: 26 August 2009 at 2:27pm

Yeah, Lee is phenomenal.  You can see guys like Edwards, Tait, Bond etc really putting a lot to get the ball down at high pace, Lee looks as simple as you can get for someone trying for pace!  Great upper body fitness, Lee says he don't do weights, they shorten the muscles and fast bowlers need longer ones.]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:27:55 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199056#199056 New talent : Yer dead right Spin. The amount... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199050#199050 Author: milkman
Subject: 4970
Posted: 26 August 2009 at 2:13pm

Yer dead right Spin. The amount of pace Lee generates from such a conventional action is quite phenomenal. I like the way Bond and Steyn bowl as well, allows them to move the ball a great deal and they get a hell of a lot of pace. There are many orthodox, technically correct players who just don't perform.
]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:13:43 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199050#199050 New talent : Then we have the slingers for... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199044#199044 Author: spin wizard
Subject: 4970
Posted: 26 August 2009 at 1:21pm

Then we have the slingers for bowlers.  Edwards, as short as he is, he creates a lot of problems with his pace because of the sling.  Lee bowls around the same pace, he's more comfy to face as his action is more pure, you watch him from straight where as guys especially like Malinga, you have to change the path you look a bit.]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:21:37 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199044#199044 New talent : Originally posted by SledgerI... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199026#199026 Author: milkman
Subject: 4970
Posted: 26 August 2009 at 4:42am

Originally posted by Sledger

I haven't seen schoolboy cricket for many years , not because it isn't enjoyable , it's a treat , but because all my mates' kids are 30-odd!  Poor excuse really , I should be watching their grandkids!

   On a slightly different note , is there too much coaching of kids in England?  I continually read of coaches asking bowlers to get side on and batsmen playing classically straight bats with a high elbow. I've always thought there's more ways to play the game , Mike Proctor and Brian Lara seemed to agree.


Proctor's wrong  footed approach seemed to work!

Phillip Hughes is another guy with a unique technique and nobody seems to appreciate that it really does work for him. Chanderpaul is another that comes to mind.
]]> Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:42:30 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199026#199026 New talent : Yep, I thought this is one of... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199021#199021 Author: spin wizard
Subject: 4970
Posted: 25 August 2009 at 10:25pm

Yep, I thought this is one of the reasons why some of the Windies youngsters are being messed up and I think Sarwan is a good case.  His stroke making is natural talent but that technique tells me he's been overcoached, he gets on the front foot plenty and is side on for short balls.  Check out Gayle, esquisitely brutal on short ball, I'm sure no coach helped him.

]]> Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:25:40 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199021#199021 New talent : Originally posted by SledgerOn... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199020#199020 Author: W.G.
Subject: 4970
Posted: 25 August 2009 at 8:48pm

Originally posted by Sledger

On a slightly different note , is there too much coaching of kids in England?  I continually read of coaches asking bowlers to get side on and batsmen playing classically straight bats with a high elbow. I've always thought there's more ways to play the game , Mike Proctor and Brian Lara seemed to agree.


My brother coaches and I think he would agree with you.  He absolutely hated the ECB coaching programme, designed as it is to produce cloned coaches, let alone cloned players.  It is not that there is too much coaching, coaching in its purest sense allows an individual to find the best way to develop.  But coaching 'by the book' seems to be the ECB model ..... my brother was a class bowler before he nearly lost a leg in a late teen accident ... but to pass his badge had to master the most bizarre instruction for playing the pull shot.  I pull a mean cricket ball, but in trying to copy the method in the ECB text I forever got my feet in a tangle!

So - not too much coaching, just too much text book coaching.  My brother tells a great story of a nipper bowling off the wrong foot.  He was criticised by an opposing coach for not correcting it following a game where the lad took 7 for next to nothing.  "He bowls fast, takes wickets and tore throught your lot ..... you correct him"
]]> Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:48:24 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199020#199020 New talent : I haven't seen schoolboy... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199011#199011 Author: spin wizard
Subject: 4970
Posted: 25 August 2009 at 1:36pm

I haven't seen schoolboy cricket for many years , not because it isn't enjoyable , it's a treat , but because all my mates' kids are 30-odd!  Poor excuse really , I should be watching their grandkids!

   On a slightly different note , is there too much coaching of kids in England?  I continually read of coaches asking bowlers to get side on and batsmen playing classically straight bats with a high elbow. I've always thought there's more ways to play the game , Mike Proctor and Brian Lara seemed to agree.
 
School Cricket is a joy indeed, nevermind the standard back here has dropped drastically since I started it 6 seasons back (left 3 seasons ago) but watching school kids play do give some entertainment.
 
On your last point, I am not such a big fan of technical coaching really.  Peter Philpott, an ex-Aussie player and Coach in his book that was suppose to teach leg spin covered a lot of these things and say you're better off doing what suits you and you shouldn't worry about getting to technically correct unless it's leg spin because that's probably one that would hardly work being unorthodox.
 
Seems as if these people don't realise that Unorthodox players, when they're good, they're extremely great for crowds to watch.  Lara, Malinga, Sehwag (his pace of scoring isn't recommended haha), Mendis etc.
]]> Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:36:38 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=199011#199011 New talent : And does that mean we have to... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198998#198998 Author: zuhair_abbasi
Subject: 4970
Posted: 25 August 2009 at 7:27am

And does that mean we have to identify someone from the club level? Won't FC cricket do it?]]> Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:27:58 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198998#198998 New talent : I haven't seen schoolboy... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198997#198997 Author: Sledger
Subject: 4970
Posted: 25 August 2009 at 7:08am

I haven't seen schoolboy cricket for many years , not because it isn't enjoyable , it's a treat , but because all my mates' kids are 30-odd!  Poor excuse really , I should be watching their grandkids!

   On a slightly different note , is there too much coaching of kids in England?  I continually read of coaches asking bowlers to get side on and batsmen playing classically straight bats with a high elbow. I've always thought there's more ways to play the game , Mike Proctor and Brian Lara seemed to agree.
]]> Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:08:17 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198997#198997 New talent : Originally posted by ClobberMy... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198806#198806 Author: W.G.
Subject: 4970
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 4:00pm

Originally posted by Clobber

My only other slight concern is that the last time we had a long thread about up and coming players, I seem to recall that half the names being bandied about were already playing Test cricket :/


Hmmmm ........... yes, it does require an IQ slightly higher than that of a duck to realise that up and coming means just that - not already arrived.

We've got a couple of decent looking players in Hampshire in the U15s that look useful.
]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:00:33 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198806#198806 New talent : There's a lot of talk up... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198798#198798 Author: milkman
Subject: 4970
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 1:39pm

There's a lot of talk up in QLD about Craig McDermott's son. Apparently he is a fiery redheaded fast bowler by the name of Alister. He's already played one 2020 game for QLD.]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:39:51 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198798#198798 New talent : I'm all for a thread on it,... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198789#198789 Author: Clobber
Subject: 4970
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 1:14pm

I'm all for a thread on it, probably best in the General section. I don't think we'd create an entire new section for it, but a perpetual thread would be good.

My only other slight concern is that the last time we had a long thread about up and coming players, I seem to recall that half the names being bandied about were already playing Test cricket :/
]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:14:35 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198789#198789 New talent : Agreed - but it would also give... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198701#198701 Author: W.G.
Subject: 4970
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 7:44am

Agreed - but it would also give the serious lovers of the game the opportunity to look out for new, young talent that we would otherwise miss.]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:44:35 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198701#198701 New talent : the trouble is that it would end... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198694#198694 Author: Clobber
Subject: 4970
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 4:04am

the trouble is that it would end up a plethora of random names, one or two or whom might go on to greater things in so many years that none of us will still be around here to bask in the reflected glory.

Mind you, there was a young 18 year old bowler at Leics I tipped for good things a few years ago, and apparently he had quite a good day on Friday....
]]> Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:04:08 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198694#198694 New talent : If, like me, you watch a lot of... http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198667#198667 Author: W.G.
Subject: 4970
Posted: 21 August 2009 at 5:50pm

If, like me, you watch a lot of junior, II/IIIrd eleven and colt cricket, you will appreciate the raft of talent - that does or does not deliver over time.  Would there be a place for an 'up and coming' player watch element to the site.  Might be fun watching predictions materialise, or failing to do so.]]> Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:50:16 +0000 http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4970&PID=198667#198667