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Trigger Movements. : mmm. i take my gaurd on leg and...

Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:16:24 +0000

Author: inswinger
Subject: 3389
Posted: 04 February 2008 at 8:16pm

mmm.

i take my gaurd on leg and step into middle. anything on the off side i find a pleasure to hit. especially on the front foot. but playing legside anywhere is alot harder because i have to move back across to fetch it. but im b atting alot better than i was a year ago so im not complaining

Trigger Movements. : Hi Guys Regarding trigger movements....

Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:42:27 +0000

Author: Monty_Mo
Subject: 3389
Posted: 03 February 2008 at 6:42pm

Hi Guys

Regarding trigger movements. I have over the last 2 net sessions started to develop one for the fast/medium bowlers. I'm 5"5 so am already quite short compared to the bowlers. I stand with a open stance, i take middle and leg. But i will stand out side leg. What i do is a little shuffle to the mark (middle and leg) moving back and across. while remaining on my toes. I use the crouch and then transfer forward or back.

I have found this to be a very good techniques for myself, not out the coaching manual mind you. the problem with this is that i can never hit a ball drifting wide of my pads, that flick. i find that because of the stance trigger movement im always either front or back, ideal for balls on middle and off, short or full . anything flying down leg side is impossible for me to hit.

The best way to hit these balls iv been told, is to move your front foot swivel and flick the ball. something totally impossible for me.

Mo

Trigger Movements. : For spinners, I move my back foot...

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:47:54 +0000

Author: spin wizard
Subject: 3389
Posted: 24 October 2007 at 7:47pm

For spinners, I move my back foot across and the front foot forward in a diagonal.

I expose all my stumps to the faster bowlers in my stance but the trigger movement carries my front foot across covering up middle. I'm not prone to lbws that way! For the spinners, I take guard more outside leg stump because I carry my front foot more across and that's for the off spinners really. For the leggies, I will carry it across less!

Edited by spin wizard - 24 October 2007 at 7:52pm

Trigger Movements. : I don't really have a trigger...

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:10:02 +0000

Author: MP12
Subject: 3389
Posted: 24 October 2007 at 2:10pm

I don't really have a trigger movement for spinners. I've never really had trouble playing them so I'm comfortable in any batting position. For faster bowlers usually my right foot will either step horizonatally backwards and hit through the offside or step backwards and hit off the back foot.

Trigger Movements. : My trigger movement varies, to...

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:53:39 +0000

Author: wolves f c1
Subject: 3389
Posted: 24 October 2007 at 11:53am

My trigger movement varies, to a fast bowler I back away

to a spinner i start outside leg stump and crohop forwards and accross

Trigger Movements. : I have only batted with one trigger...

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:27:59 +0000

Author: spin wizard
Subject: 3389
Posted: 23 October 2007 at 11:27pm

I have only batted with one trigger movement and that is backfoot across, front foot a bit forward and then if it's pitched up, I continue going forward or if it's short, I either rock back or step back!

I have tried batting with my knees crouched like how punch says and I really pick the length better that way but the thing is, I don't react that fast to the really short pitch stuff and you don't want to be in that situation against Lee and them fellas! I'm a bit lazy too so that could be a factor.

Anyhow, when I stand tall, I still get on the front foot nicely, still seeing the ball and everything and I have more reaction time to the faster balls. One thing I've noticed with me is that with the explosive shots, I tend to have to high a backlift and sometimes I lose the ball because my head goes up in the air so what I did the last time I went practice (a week ago) was to distribute more weight on the front foot for my stance so as they say, your head is over the ball. I got back on the backfoot on time, found that I had a good balance still and that my backlift wasn't too high and I still got in the aggressive shots.

I've already made up my mind though that I am not going to crouch my knees for the stance. I prefer not to pick the length that good for quicker reaction time in playing aggressive shots off the backfoot. If you're a batsman who can't play short stuff, you won't be that good in my book!

Trigger Movements. : k thanks for the advice guys.

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:25:51 +0000

Author: Shane Warnabee
Subject: 3389
Posted: 23 October 2007 at 5:25pm

k thanks for the advice guys.

Trigger Movements. : I agree with RightHandBat. Batting,...

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:03:22 +0000

Author: Punch
Subject: 3389
Posted: 23 October 2007 at 3:03pm

I agree with RightHandBat. Batting, mostly, is about instinct. Practice enough, that your shots come out by instinct. You wont have enough time, while batting, to make decisions about what shot you want to play, or to decide if you want to go forward or back. If you practice enough, they will come to you instinctively. And when you have done enough of that, just go out there, back yourself, and play your game. Confidence, helps a lot, in scoring runs.

Trigger Movements. : i don't have a trigger...

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:47:18 +0000

Author: STNOOR
Subject: 3389
Posted: 22 October 2007 at 11:47am

i don't have a trigger movement or i don't know

Edited by STNOOR - 22 October 2007 at 11:51am

Trigger Movements. : Originally posted by Shane...

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:11:25 +0000

Author: RightHandBat
Subject: 3389
Posted: 22 October 2007 at 7:11am

Originally posted by Shane Warnabee

thanks a lot for your advice punch and all the rest who have responded to my question. I have not yet tried this
stance yet only in front of the mirror so i don't really
know whether it will be comfortable or anything. The only reason i wanted this stance was because it seemed to help me move my feet more but i guess its quite ineffective as you guys have mentioned the reason above. Punch, about the stance you mention- do you bend your knees a lot or only a bit? Could everyone please tell me their trigger movements as i want to try them all out and see which fits me the best. TY for your help

I say you should react to what you see, physical training in the nets against quality fast bowlers will enable you to do this, because you are training your subconscious to react, it also helps not to think about what you'll do when you bat, but let it react by itself. It's just about getting the basics right, eg stance, high elbow etc

Basically, first of all, you want to go to the mirror and just watch yourself playing tophand shots, don't grip the bat too tightly with your top hand and make sure your weight during your stance is distributed evenly on both feet, not too close, not too far apart either. Make sure you keep a still head throughout every shot you play and keep your eyes level, also make sure you take a good stride into the ball.

Don't bend your knees too much, if they're bent too much, you will be prone to knee injuries.

Edited by RightHandBat - 22 October 2007 at 7:12am

Trigger Movements. : We all know the answer to that!...

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:49:59 +0000

Author: MP12
Subject: 3389
Posted: 22 October 2007 at 6:49am

We all know the answer to that!

Trigger Movements. : You are welcome.Why? Do, only...

Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:55:29 +0000

Author: Punch
Subject: 3389
Posted: 21 October 2007 at 5:55pm

You are welcome.

Why? Do, only Aussies know their cricket well? :)

Edited by Punch - 22 October 2007 at 4:53am

Trigger Movements. : thanks for the tips mate by the...

Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:50:09 +0000

Author: Shane Warnabee
Subject: 3389
Posted: 21 October 2007 at 12:50pm

thanks for the tips mate by the way are u aussie?

Trigger Movements. : I bend my knees enough, to keep...

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:17:51 +0000

Author: Punch
Subject: 3389
Posted: 20 October 2007 at 6:17am

I bend my knees enough, to keep me comfortable. Bending the knees serves two purposes - it prevents my knees from getting locked, as a locked knee takes a little longer to move (at least for me), and secondly, by bending my knees, I'm getting my eye level lower, and thereby able to judge the line of the ball much better.

Using this stance, this season, I have got out only twice, edging the ball to the slips.

About the trigger movement, watch this video.

Towards the end (around 4:32), watch Vaughn's back foot, moving just a little bit to the back, just before the bowler releases the ball, even though, he ends up going on the front foot to drive it. That's a perfect example of a trigger movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jTe_3TFtDE&NR=1

You dont NEED to have a trigger movement. Some batsmen feel it works better for them, that's all.

Use what comes naturally to you. But whatever that movement is, it should be very small, so that it doesnt affect your head from remaining still, when the ball is released, a very important thing to do.

Edited by Punch - 20 October 2007 at 6:19am

Trigger Movements. : thanks a lot for your advice punch...

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:09:59 +0000

Author: Shane Warnabee
Subject: 3389
Posted: 19 October 2007 at 6:09pm

thanks a lot for your advice punch and all the rest who have responded to my question. I have not yet tried this
stance yet only in front of the mirror so i don't really
know whether it will be comfortable or anything. The only reason i wanted this stance was because it seemed to help me move my feet more but i guess its quite ineffective as you guys have mentioned the reason above. Punch, about the stance you mention- do you bend your knees a lot or only a bit? Could everyone please tell me their trigger movements as i want to try them all out and see which fits me the best. TY for your help

Trigger Movements. : You are welcome Shane. I'm...

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:34:43 +0000

Author: Punch
Subject: 3389
Posted: 19 October 2007 at 1:34pm

You are welcome Shane. I'm glad my tips helped you.
Keep practicing that grip, and you'll be a rare breed of sub continental batsmen, who hits the ball along the ground and not in the air :)

Now, on to your question.
What you are trying to ask about is the trigger movement, but what you have asked actually, is your stance.

Trigger Movement - Is basically, a very small tiny movement , that gets your body to move. The trigger movement, basically signals your feet to move instinctively, with all the calculations of the length of the ball and line, factored in, within that time.
Most batsmen, have a tiny step forward as their trigger movement, some have a tiny step back, and all this just before the bowler releases the ball. Because, once the ball is released, the batsman will have to go either forward, or back, and/or across, within a fraction of a second.

So, a trigger movement, is only a precursor to your main movement.

Next time pay attention to the close up replays of a batsman hitting a shot - you will be able to see the trigger movement. If I'm not wrong, Tendulkar's is a small step forward, and Ponting's is back.

So, do what comes naturally to you, as there is no wrong trigger movement.

On to your stance:

It wont be effective.

Your stance assumes that the ball being bowled to you, follows a very narrow line, near your bat. What if the ball is bowled outside the off? With your legs splayed the way they are, you wont be able to move your front foot across the line. Or you wont be able to move them in time. At least, not with the quicker bowlers. Medium pacers, maybe.

I can suggest the stance that I use - a crouched wide stance. Spread your feet about a foot and a half apart, and bend your knees. I've found that, I was able to go on the front foot very easily with this stance (I was predominantly a back foot player).
The only problem I had with this stance is, going on the back foot to transfer my weight. Maybe I'm reacting late.

Try it if you want, and let us know how it goes.

But as MP12 said, if it feels natural to you and you are able to make the adjustments, then go for it. It should be natural to you, and most importantly, it should be something you are comfortable with.

Edited by Punch - 19 October 2007 at 1:47pm

Trigger Movements. : I've used that technique...

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:08:34 +0000

Author: MP12
Subject: 3389
Posted: 19 October 2007 at 1:08pm

I've used that technique before, Shane Warnabee. You can always combat full and wide outside off stump balls by leaving them no harm done. But RightHandBat is right it does limit what shots you can play in which some found it to be a weakness in my game. If it seems right and feels comfortable enough that you don't even have to adjust to it them I say "go for it".

Trigger Movements. : You limit your shot selection...

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:45:08 +0000

Author: RightHandBat
Subject: 3389
Posted: 19 October 2007 at 7:45am

You limit your shot selection if you do that. What if the ball is bowled full and wide, you're going to reach for the ball, which increases an opportunity for edges and catches.

Trigger Movements. : thanks for your help punch! I'm...

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:24:16 +0000

Author: Shane Warnabee
Subject: 3389
Posted: 19 October 2007 at 7:24am

thanks for your help punch! I'm glad to say that over the last month i've been playing more ground shots and using my top hand more. Just need people's opinion on my new
trigger movement. I'm thinking about putting my front
foot out as the batsman is about to bowl but the weight of my body is still transferred on the back foot. That
way if the bowler bowls it on full or good length i can
transfer my weight on the front foot which is already out
and if the ball is bowled short my weight is initially on the back foot as mentioned above so i can safely defend or pull or hook if needed to. What do u guys think?

Trigger Movements. : This one's for Shane Warnabee's...

Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:52:30 +0000

Author: Punch
Subject: 3389
Posted: 06 October 2007 at 9:52pm

This one's for Shane Warnabee's bottom hand problem. I just joined the forum, so you may excuse the delayed tip.

You have mentioned not one, but two problems with your grip:
1. You use your bottom hand a lot.
2. Even when you try, you still end up using the bottom hand.

The best possible grip to reduce a bottom hand, is the pincer grip. Meaning, only your thumb, forefinger grip the handle. The other fingers, just support the first two. To put it in even more simple terms - make sure that your bottom palm, never touches the handle.

This takes a lot of getting used to, especially, if you are used to using your bottom hand. But persist with practice, it will eventually come good (if you are that committed to reducing your bottom hand that is).

2. If you have tried that, and still end up using your bottom hand, then you might want to see, where exactly your top hand rests. Most bottom handed players, grip their handle, as close to the shoulder blade as possible. If your hands are still in the same place as before, and you try the pincer or any other grip to reduce your bottom hand, then it may not work. For your top hand to be more effective, then it needs to be higher, towards the end of the handle.

If you hold the bat there with your upper hand, and use the pincer grip for your bottom hand, there is no way, your bottom hand will come in play. As I said before, it takes lots of practice to get used to.

Hope that helps.

Edited by Punch - 06 October 2007 at 9:53pm

Trigger Movements. : There's only one of us still...

Thu, 17 May 2007 16:02:18 +0000

Author: W.G.
Subject: 3389
Posted: 17 May 2007 at 4:02pm

There's only one of us still going on about it - and it's not me sunshine.

Trigger Movements. : ^ in other words yournot big enough...

Thu, 17 May 2007 15:58:18 +0000

Author: Smack
Subject: 3389
Posted: 17 May 2007 at 3:58pm

^ in other words your not big enough to conceed defeat when your wrong therefore you'd rather stubbornly pretend your right and leave it there. Congratulations on pretending your the fountain of all cricket knowledge but you didn't even know the meaning of playing the ball early or late. I think that says it all about you and your knowledge.

Trigger Movements. : As you've already proven...

Thu, 17 May 2007 06:24:19 +0000

Author: W.G.
Subject: 3389
Posted: 17 May 2007 at 6:24am

As you've already proven yourself ignorant of technique I have no further interest in this discussion.

Trigger Movements. : Originally posted by KermTo...

Thu, 17 May 2007 00:51:57 +0000

Author: Smack
Subject: 3389
Posted: 17 May 2007 at 12:51am

Originally posted by Kerm

To play a back foot drive you go back and then lean your weight forward into it, W.G is right here, the only two shots I can think of that are played with your weight literally on the back foot is the pull and the hook.

Saying that back foot drives shouldnt be aerial and if they are that means you have played the ball too early.

Yep your right. Your weight is on the back foot for a back foot defence but then as you play the back foot drive your weight transfers forward into the shot. I got the two mixed up. You can play the back foot drive with your weight back but its not the techically correct method of doing it.

Getting back to the main point which started this whole thing, your right again. As i was trying to tell W.G. if you play the ball in the air off the back foot your playing too early.

Edited by Smack - 17 May 2007 at 12:53am

Trigger Movements. : Taken from the same BBC web-site...

Wed, 16 May 2007 05:54:04 +0000

Author: W.G.
Subject: 3389
Posted: 16 May 2007 at 5:54am

Taken from the same BBC web-site that Smack lifted his graphic from:

"To prevent the ball spooning to cover when you make contact, ensure your head is over the ball.

This means your weight will be forward, which will keep the ball on the ground when you play the shot."

So Smack - doubly wrong ........ because if you are playing this your way, with your weight back, you're presenting that dolly.

If you would care to highlight all my other spelling mistakes or typos I would be delighted to change them.

Edited by W.G. - 16 May 2007 at 5:55am

Trigger Movements. : Originally posted by KermTo...

Wed, 16 May 2007 05:48:33 +0000

Author: W.G.
Subject: 3389
Posted: 16 May 2007 at 5:48am

Cheers Kerm, but I stand by my view that being late on a back foot drive will result in a dolly - think bat angle, think ball still rising.

Trigger Movements. : To play a back foot drive you...

Wed, 16 May 2007 00:27:52 +0000

Author: Kerm
Subject: 3389
Posted: 16 May 2007 at 12:27am

To play a back foot drive you go back and then lean your weight forward into it, W.G is right here, the only two shots I can think of that are played with your weight literally on the back foot is the pull and the hook.

Saying that back foot drives shouldnt be aerial and if they are that means you have played the ball too early.

Edited by Kerm - 16 May 2007 at 12:29am

Trigger Movements. : LOL i think you need to correct...

Wed, 16 May 2007 00:18:02 +0000

Author: Smack
Subject: 3389
Posted: 16 May 2007 at 12:18am

LOL i think you need to correct a few more of your mis-types.

Kids please ignore anyone who thinks your weight should be forward when playing the back foot drive. You weight should be on your back foot.

Good luck with your views WG, you definately need it. I guess it takes all sorts to make the world.

Trigger Movements. : Originally posted by SmackLOOOLam...

Tue, 15 May 2007 23:53:02 +0000

Author: W.G.
Subject: 3389
Posted: 15 May 2007 at 11:53pm

Originally posted by Smack

LOOOL am i talking to brick wall here or something? Were talking about back foot drives here not front foot drives. Let me say it again when playing a BACK foot drive, your weight is back NOT forward.

Apologies that in my exasperation over your ignorance I typed 'front' when I intended to say 'back'.

In closing ....... read your earlier post, then look at your graphic - then ask yourself "where is the batsman's weight"?

I rest.

Trigger Movements. : ^ its funny that despite being...

Tue, 15 May 2007 23:39:55 +0000

Author: Smack
Subject: 3389
Posted: 15 May 2007 at 11:39pm

^ its funny that despite being proved wrong, you stubbornly stick to your guns and try to save a sinking ship. Your understanding of

playing the ball late is way off the mark, i hope you practice better than you preach.

Its a fact if you hit the ball straight over the bowlers head driving off the back foot you would need to meet the ball at an earlier point than if you were to hit the ball along the ground. If you played the ball late, the ball would most likely go behind square not over the bowlers head.

^ look at the angle of his bat how is the ball going to go in the air to mid on/mid off from there?

Originally posted by W.G.

Two options here - I either provide you with endless links to correct technique when playing a front foot drive, or you admit you have opened your mouth and planted both your feet firmly in your orifice? Choice is yours?

LOOOL am i talking to brick wall here or something? Were talking about back foot drives here not front foot drives. Let me say it again when playing a BACK foot drive, your weight is back NOT forward.

Edited by Smack - 15 May 2007 at 11:40pm