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    Posted: 03 June 2008 at 10:31am

The Asia cup is all set to start on the 24th of june in pakistan, this will be a big tournament for all the three asian giants, srilanka are the defending champions but off late their performances have been disappointing, pakistan have never won the asia cup and geoff lawson has a lot to prove in this tournament. india are the team in form and the clear favourites to win this, but it certainly wont be easy while bangladesh will look to cause a few upsets as they did in the WC.

the bangladesh tri series is a sort of warm up tournament before the asia cup, starting june 8th, here is a list of fixtures for this tri series:
 
june 8th -- pakistan v bangladesh at mirpur
 
june 10th -- india v pakistan at mirpur
 
june 12th -- india v bangladesh at mirpur
 
june 14th -- final at mirpur
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Well I guess it's more interesting than the IPL. Whats the bet Bangladesh play 2 completly different teams, even though its effectively just a warm up; they have no consistant selection. As usual i will watch for Mortaza, Shakib (sp?) and Nafees as i believe they are the only bangladesh players of any class.
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NZ, unfortunately for you, and for Bangladesh, Shakib won't be playing as he has examinations.

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Much like I do in a weeks time. CW is such a distraction Sleepy I guess i can always monitor how the overrated ashraful is doing.
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i guess tamim iqbal is very fine talent too... as for sakib i had a good laugh when i got to know the reason why he'll not be playing.
 
asia cup will be the real test for pakistan and geoff lawson, if they lose this, then obviously one can say lawson has not made any progress even after 8 months since he has joined.
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Talent yes, of any sort of world class standard, not yet.
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well the first game of the tri series has turned out to be nothing more than just a formality for PAK. they win their 12th consequitive match, salman top scored with a 70, posting his 5th straight score of 50 or more in ODI"s, yousuf was good as usual, riaz and gul looked good with the ball.
 
big game on tuesday and IND take on PAK, the IPL has already taken a toll on the indian players and sachin, sreesanth, zaheer have been ruled out while bhajji is banned. gony has made it to the squad, it'll be an interesting game come tuesday.
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Are you watching this series Sam?
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what big game? they dont have Sachin, zaheer & Bhajji. they look a lot lesser without these three. I see an easy win for Pakistan. thhough this India Pak match is one of the most low profile games betwen the two sides for whatever reasons. THere hasbeen no build up and no anticipation either among the fans. India will find hard to contain Butt, Yousuf and Misbah.

India BD match might turn out to be a close one though.
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Zuhair look at the indian team first. They have still very good players in the team. Maybe they dont have much experience but they have much quality. I think Pakistan will have difficulties to win against India when they bat like they did against BD.
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just a matter of few hours Ahmed
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yes of course. I am also a pakistani supporter, but i can see in the indian team are all inform players like Sehwag, Gambhir, Rohit Sharma, Raina, Yousuf, Dhoni Pathan, RP Singh, Chawla, Goni. They are all inform players and dangouras. Bowling is a bit weak but still better than BD who managed to get Pakistan all out in 40 overs.
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Posts: 864 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 June 2008 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

just a matter of few hours Ahmed
 
They have already won the match in a few hours...
 
India should score 500 runs from here on, i think


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thats what you think mate!!! naything less than 320 and they cant defend it
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i dont know why Malik is not bowling. why not trying offspin
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So India's first match since the end of the IPL. Nothing much has changed. The RR is good but no T20 rate has been sustained. The two stars of the IPL tournament, Sohail Tanvir and YK Pathan have failed to impress too which lends to the thought that T20 is still an entirely different game to its closest format.
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that is interesting. But the two other players from ipl have performed. Remember Sehwag and Gambhir played well in IPL
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I failed to mention those two because they're usually consistent in both forms of the game. The two I mentioned are relatively unknown at international level.
Good one Graham!
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its first game of Yousuf and you are trying to compare it with the whole ipl tournament?



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yes, i'm watching kiran, aren't you??? but i'm certainly looking forward for the Asia cup, that is the big one, IMO, for all the asian teams.
 
zuhair IND r certainly stronger, and i'm very very disappointed at PAK's fielding and bowling discipline, i mean they played 11 games against ZIM and BAN and that was the time for all the rebuilding, i can't believe all the preparation has lead to this. from IND's point of view everything has looked good, 331 looks like a daunting task, a lot will depend on the opening partnership and yousuf.
 
as for the build up and all. well IND and may be even PAK have got a little carried away by the IPL and all, but one close IND - PAK game and things will be same as before.
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i have noticed one thing. Maybe i am wrong but i think Praveen Kumar dont have a clean action. Its looking chuck.
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Originally posted by kahmad

i have noticed one thing. Maybe i am wrong but i think Praveen Kumar dont have a clean action. Its looking chuck.
 
I've noticed that flick at the end of his action as well. I saw it back when India were in Aus.
It's very noticable from the side and I'd like to look at it more before I say it's a chuck. It's much like Akhtar's but nowhere near as pronounced (due to him bowling much slower).
 
Like I say though, I'd like to see it more before I say it is or it's not. Anybody got a side on clip of him bowling???


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well interesting observation that about praveen kumar, pathetic stuff from PAK, it really is frustrating for PAK fans sometimes, i'm still very happy for IND though, it's a young team going from strength to strength and it might not be long before they reach that no.1 spot.
 
i really don't know what can PAK do, i have never ever seen any planning from malik and lawson, they always look to be clueless when under pressure or when playing tougher opponents. something has to change may be nasir and salman opening, malik at no.3, because he has always done well at that position, younus at 4, yousuf at 5, and may be fawad alam in place of afridi, and perhaps someone like yasir arafat in the team as well, it quite obvious how badly PAK are missing a genuine all rounder.
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Sam, which team is your number one, India are Pakistan cause from your posts, it surely is Pakistan?
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Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

India BD match might turn out to be a close one though.
 
If India lose to Bangladesh intellegently, they could choose the opponent with whom the final might turn out to be a close one Zuhair Smile


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Originally posted by spin wizard

Sam, which team is your number one, India are Pakistan cause from your posts, it surely is Pakistan?
 
Smile well i face this question very often not just here but also from my friends and cousins.
 
in the past it certainly was IND and then PAK, but i think since 2004 it's been the other way round coz it's PAK who are struggling, but i love both the teams, and i have no doubts whatsoever about that.
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Originally posted by sam_ahmed

yes, i'm watching kiran, aren't you??? but i'm certainly looking forward for the Asia cup, that is the big one, IMO, for all the asian teams.
Not much Sam. I think this series absolutely unnecessary. I am seeing the scorecards once in an hour or so. That's it. Asia cup doesn't interest me as well. The next interesting series from Indian team's perspective in Ind-Sri only if the pitches are somewhere near sportive.
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By how many runs (approximately. Considering Bangladesh bats first and scores 225) should India lose to Bangladesh to keep Pakistan out of the tournament?
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Originally posted by kirankri

By how many runs (approximately. Considering Bangladesh bats first and scores 225) should India lose to Bangladesh to keep Pakistan out of the tournament?
 
dhoni and kirsten are very sporting players kiran, i'm sure they'll not have any such plans, IND should beat BAN comfortably.
 
you are absolutely correct, this series was not necessary, but mate as far as the Asia Cup goes, i think it's far more important, at least for me, than the srilanka series, infact the SLN series shpouldn't be a good one kiran, IND should win that easily, i mean seriously i don't see any threat from SLN, at least in the test matches.
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Posts: 1088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2008 at 11:40am
So do you believe it is non-sportive to lose a match if you know that you get a weaker opposition in the finals. Image if a similar situation arises in the WC? Would there be any teams which would mind doing it?
 
I remember Aus and SA manipulating in some of the tournaments in early 2000's or late 90's (I don't remember the tournaments or the exact matches). Infact SA was famous for such (mis)calculations. Isn't it?
 
Not that other teams were having captains who were saints. But those were the only two teams in that era who use to land in such a situation.


Edited by kirankri - 11 June 2008 at 11:45am
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