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    Posted: 25 October 2011 at 4:39pm
Not true, Amla and De Villers have done a lot of carrying for SA lately, and also helped by Kallis and others have been scoring some runs too.  Australia lately have only gotten runs from Watson and Hussey (and katich before they dropped him).
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Australia found it extremely hard to score.  Warner and Hussey is in pretty good nick though.  Seriously, minus Shane Watson and Mike Hussey, this Australian team might get belted in everygame they play.
Mate even without Kallis SA wont be any better.

once AB joins the RSA team will look much better Mystery and don't forget Imran Tahir, the only reason RSA are not playing him in the ODI's is because they want to unleash him in the test matches.
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Kallis is sockingly under rated... I just do not understand why... It really frustrates me.
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Really excited about this game tomorrow, Friday evening means next two days holiday and I can watch the full game, another of those neck to neck battles between RSA and AUS this series, these two teams always seem to bring out the best in each other, with all due respect to India, I think these two were the best two teams of the last decade.
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SA has always been competitive for the last decade, but always failed against Australia until recently.  SA has been performing excellently in the sub continent though, much better than Australia and England.
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I think Australia should drop Smith and play Mitchell Marsh, who has shown he's a genuine 6 hitter unlike Smith. He's also more useful with the ball and more likely to actually be given a bowl - given that Watson might not play or might not bowl in the case he does play, he would be a handy inclusion. I can't understand why Smith doesn't ask for more of a bowl, how does he think he'll justify his spot in the side? Rhodes is probably the only guy I'd pick , even if he was making no runs. Even then I'd question that...

... Might be time to give Cummins a rest and go for Pattinson, Bollinger, Johnson and Doherty with the ball as well.
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I don't want to put a dampener on the match for you lads , but the weather forecast is dire !!  Rain expected in the afternoon which is likely to become torrential in the evening. Duckworth/Lewis is almost certain to be implemented - it could be a match of very few overs.
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Good thing I'll be at work and will not be able to do much viewing!
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Damn! Thanks Sledger, not the worst thing for me though - I have end of semester examinations in a few weeks to study for.

I'm actually studying at the University of Western Australia, which is known for its earlier work in testing bowling speeds (think back to that Thomson v Lillee v Holding v Khan, etc thing they had on TV in the 70s) and for test bowlers for chucking. Was on campus (which has a cricket oval in the middle of it!) and they were testing out a young Sri Lanka off spinner (could tell he was Lankan from his Sri Lanka cricket training shirt). Thought you guys might be interested!
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I expect Kallis to shine in this match....
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Australia are probably short one bowler here, as Watson is the 5th bowler and I'm not sure you'd want him to bowl 10 overs. I'm glad to see Smith go, but to bring in Shaun Marsh as opposed to his all rounder brother might not be the best move. I suppose Clarke will have to do some bowling. Or alternatively, the Aussies don't think they'll have to bowl 50 overs because of the weather - and that could be a fair selection to only pick 4 bowlers.
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Amla shamshing the Aussies all around the park already... not fearing anything or any one.... Could we see another 400 score by South Afica.....1
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not quite a high score at all Sammy, 222 then after Amla and kallis score half centuries, good tidy stuff from Australia but this track doesn't look that esy to bat on and with Steyn and Morkel around it could get even more difficult.

Should be an interesting game, two of my favorite sides, but surely I will support RSA!


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Originally posted by spin wizard

Not true, Amla and De Villers have done a lot of carrying for SA lately, and also helped by Kallis and others have been scoring some runs too.  Australia lately have only gotten runs from Watson and Hussey (and katich before they dropped him).


Without Kallis there wont be any balance in the side but correct even Villers is a big reason of SA doing well.
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144-4 this is getting interesting.77 runs with 18 overs, should be cakewalk with Hussey on the crease, but strange things have happened in cricket.



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Series win for Aussies and again its Watson and Hussey who got Australia home. Cummins was again impressive but the real game will begin when the test starts.
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<FONT>144-4 this is getting interesting.77 runs with 18 overs, should be cakewalk with Hussey on the crease, but strange things have happened in cricket.



Yeh not too much trouble for Hussey in the end - pretty convincing win for Australia, despite losing 7 wickets they won in good time. SAF just couldn't raise the tempo at all during their innings, Doherty was particularly tight. Good to see Watson bowl a full quota of overs and an excellent 49.
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Very disappointed by RSA losing, they just didn't bat well and sorry to say but Hashim's captaincy wasn't that good, although I don't want to be harsh on him. He didn't use Kallis when he was bowling so well and had bowled 3 overs for 11 runs and a wicket of Watson. Time and again he was going with Morne and Steyn and both were struggling a bit on that wicket.

Hussey played really well and RSA missed AB very badly yesterday, except for Hashim and kallis no one really got going and that is why they need Smith to get back in good form and AB to come back ASAP.

I also don't like this idea of "Hiding" Imran Tahir time and time again, even before the WC, and now again, I mean you should play your best team in every damn game, you cannot hide your best spinner in so many games.
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Tahir looked very good in WC, First time I saw Tahir bowl I felt SA has got something very very special against Aussies in Tests. While Aussies will try to target him from start, if they get a wood on him early on then its a case closed, if it tilts the other way then Tahir will end up with bagful of wickets. Don't think there is spot for two spinners in SA set up, very difficult call to leave Harris out, but Tahir needs to play.

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Australia are probably short one bowler here, as Watson is the 5th bowler and I'm not sure you'd want him to bowl 10 overs. I'm glad to see Smith go, but to bring in Shaun Marsh as opposed to his all rounder brother might not be the best move. I suppose Clarke will have to do some bowling. Or alternatively, the Aussies don't think they'll have to bowl 50 overs because of the weather - and that could be a fair selection to only pick 4 bowlers.


Watson is a very good bowler and they should use in death overs and i want to see him bowl atleast 6-7 overs every match.
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Very disappointed by RSA losing, they just didn't bat well and sorry to say but Hashim's captaincy wasn't that good, although I don't want to be harsh on him. He didn't use Kallis when he was bowling so well and had bowled 3 overs for 11 runs and a wicket of Watson. Time and again he was going with Morne and Steyn and both were struggling a bit on that wicket.

Hussey played really well and RSA missed AB very badly yesterday, except for Hashim and kallis no one really got going and that is why they need Smith to get back in good form and AB to come back ASAP.

I also don't like this idea of "Hiding" Imran Tahir time and time again, even before the WC, and now again, I mean you should play your best team in every damn game, you cannot hide your best spinner in so many games.


I wanted to say the same thing Big smile why Kallis was not bowling when the pitch was perfect for him even JP Duminy was under used and there was no reason of giving Morne, Steyn and Tsotsobe so many overs when clearly both were struggling to trouble the batsman. Just how many times has Hussey won the match for Australia he is just too good i hope he atleast play for 4-5 years. Yes Tahir not playing was a huge mistake but even if he was playing i dont think it would have made a big different as Botha only when for 21 runs.
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0,75,115,160,33 and 32 were the scores about 2 and half years back when Hughes announced his arrival.Immediately after this he went into a horrid form and was rightly dropped from the squad.However his last innings of 126 against SL says that he could be back.It will be very interesting to watch the outcome.I hope he clicks again.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2011 at 8:04am
A stodgy batting display from the home side - they allowed the Aussies to dictate terms. Nowadays scores around 220 mean that a side has been bowled out , not just 6 wickets down. The wicket was slow , but at no stage did the South Africans show any urgency in the latter stages of the innings.  Did they really think 222 was enough - I know I didn't !
                So the 1st test starts a week on Wednesday and the weather here in Cape Town is still pretty wet. Low temperatures forecast for this week as well - around 18C and scattered showers.  I can't see the curator producing a pitch that'll have any pace and I can't see much help for the spinners either.  That might mean that Tahir doesn't get a go , they might play an extra batsman and let Rudolph bowl some legspin.
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Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

0,75,115,160,33 and 32 were the scores about 2 and half years back when Hughes announced his arrival.Immediately after this he went into a horrid form and was rightly dropped from the squad.However his last innings of 126 against SL says that he could be back.It will be very interesting to watch the outcome.I hope he clicks again.


He never went into horrid form mate he made 57 runs from 3 innings after scoring so many runs in his first series and was really unlucky to get dropped form was never a real reason of dropping him..
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Hughes was a scapegoat after England got themselves 1-0 up in the series at Lords. His technique is no 'worse' than Ijaz Ahmed or Lehmann, Katich, etc. It's unique, but he hits the ball hard, plays spin well and is powerful through the offside. He has worked on his leg side game a lot and I think he'll have a decent test career ahead of him. He's still 22 years old...
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The test series should be a cracker. I can't believe it's only a 2 test match series, simply ridiculous. It seems like a really even contest. AB returning should bolster SA, the ODI series exposed how much they miss someone like him in the middle order. Hope Amla hits his strides, he is a joy to watch when he is timing it well. I give the edge to SA but even after the disastrous Ashes, the Aussies are still going to be a mighty challenge. 

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It's ominous that Johnson took 4 wickets yesterday against SA "A" and Sidell picked up 3 as well.  The South Africans still seem a little undercooked and if Australia get off to a flyer on day 1 at Newlands , the South Africans might struggle to pull it back.
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Australia 236 all out with Michael Clarke top scoring with 76.  de Lange surprised by returning figures of 5-56.   Lunch being taken and a lead of 53 looks significant in what has been a low scoring match so far.
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Anyone seen a lot of Vernon Philander in FC cricket? From what I saw in the recent Champions League, he just seemed a standard, line-and-length medium pacer but his first-class record is very impressive (under 20 bowling average). Reckon he will make the side ahead of Tsotsobe?
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Tsotsobe is a class act BP, I'm not too sure if Philander is that good a bowler as his average suggests, in fact he hasn't even made the most of the limited international opportunies he has got.
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