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    Posted: 04 November 2005 at 1:57am
nooooo, lee is gone of the next ball after the 6. the new ball works for powell. he pitched it short, lee went for the pull and the overhead catch was taken by collymore. (i quoted most of this from cricinfo)

still amazing performance from lee and warne. both made 47. great contribution from both.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 1:59am
McGrath and Bracken are the last wicket for australia, bracken at 29 and McGrath at 3. australia are at 424 for 9 at a very astonishing run rate of 4.10.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 2:53am
noooooo! i mean yeaaaa, bracken goes for an impressive 37 (for a tail-ender) and the australian innings finally comes to an end for a total of 435.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 3:25am
oh my god!! ***le is already gone for a meesly 10!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 5:04am
Originally posted by Superbokkie

I think Sledger is being extremely harsh on Chanderpaul. The man does not deserve such abrasive criticism. Remember that he has the impossible task of captaining a side that has gone from bad to worse to atrocious in 10 years.


I rate Chanderpaul as a player, maybe not a great captain, but give him a break. Has anybody in the last 12 years been anything BUT negative captain in Australia? Watch Vaughan play defensive fields next summer when Australia are 400-4...



Living in NZ has obviously softened you up Bokkie! Chanderpaul's captaincy is the most ineffectual and lacklustre I've seen since Shaun Pollock captained the Boks! His batting is pretty good , I won't deny that , but he can't inspire his bowlers.

Secondly , this West Indian side is much better than those that Lara was saddled with - there's flair in the batting and raw pace in the bowling. King has made them fitter and more professional - in fact I'd go as far as to say that this side is their best in 10 years!

As for the inane comment about Vaughan and England , just why will an aging Australian side get past 400 for the loss of only 4 sticks when they couldn't amass 400 in any of TEN innings last time?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 5:12am
So Australia do better than the 80 I proposed and got to 435. Good effort by them , but some pretty average bowling by the Windies.

On that track and in good bowling conditions (humid and cloudy) it's imperative to get the ball up there and let the conditions do the rest. Simply put , they bowled too wide , too short or too full!

McGrath took G-ayle and Sarwan before tea to leave the Windies on 96-2 after 23 overs.

Devon Smith has done well and is 53*. Brian Lara unbeaten on 5 .

   Crucial session coming up , the ball still has some shine (lush outfield) and the Aussies will come hard , especially at Lara.

   If the Windies can get through this session for the loss of only a couple they'll be well in the game. But this is going to be a long one again - there's still 44 overs to be bowled because of the pedestrian approach of Chanderpaul and his troops. They'll not get through anything like 44 and the fans will be robbed again - bad light might stop the session even earlier than the planned close.

   To justify putting Australia in , they must at least get parity - it'll be interesting !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 5:55am
Going along nicely the Windies , 126-2 with 31 overs left in the day.

    Smith 65* and Lara ominous on 23.

Lara managed to clear the ropes when Warne came into the attack - sending out the right kind of message there!

Bracken didn't cause many problems - maybe this Aussie attack is in serious decline !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 6:15am
was lara out? or a bit dodgy?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 6:22am
Well Wolf , Lara was adjusted LBW to Brett Lee from around the wicket , but for my money it was missing leg!

Bad luck on him and a real blow to the Windies. Lara gone for 30 and Windies now 138-3 , Chanderpaul joins the resilient Smith.

That decision gives more ammunition to the technology supporters!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 6:24am
I think Chanderpaul captaining the Windies is a case of there not being any-body else. Lara has shown he doesn't fancy the job, Chris G4yle is too stoned most of the time (or looks like it any-way!), and then who else is there? Sarwan has not realised his talent yet, and would struggle even more if burdened with the captaincy. Bring back Ridley Jacobs, he was the man!

Courtney Walsh was saying how you doesn't think Chanderpaul is a leader of men, and you can tell how shy he is by the interviews he conducts. His captaincy lacks imagination, and skill. He is robotic, even more that Pollock was, and Graeme Smith used to be. Feel sorry for him though, he doesn't have a team which can compete, not on the batting, nor on the bowling. Perhaps in two or three years time, but now.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 6:27am
Sledger, would the technology have shown a different result? or was it quite inconclusive? Very difficult to get leg before coming round the wicket.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 6:30am
You've seen him interviewed huh. I've seen him before the cameras with a TV guy and heard the TV commentator talking to himself !!


Astute comments on the problems the Windies have filling the role , there isn't a stand out candidate. Sarwan would be my choice , but his batting might well suffer if he was given the responsibility. Then again , some players improve their average when in control.

If he doesn't show some innovative traits in this series , maybe we'll see a change in leadership - but it won't go back to Lara , that's for sure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 6:32am
Originally posted by Wolfman

Sledger, would the technology have shown a different result? or was it
quite inconclusive? Very difficult to get leg before coming round the
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Difficult to say , but it would have probably shown reasonable doubt.

As for getting lbw around the wicket , maybe Lee needs lessons off a certain Mr Flintoff !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 6:33am
Flintoff bowls wicket to wicket, like Pollock. Good approach to take for the old LBW's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 6:40am
Yep , and having the ability from around the wicket to pitch in line and straighten it to the left handers is really potent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 7:01am
Chanderpaul goes for 2 to a rank long hop which he pulls to Bracken at mid on - fine catch too! warne strikes and it's 149-4 , in form Samuels to the crease now....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 7:16am
Cracking legcutter from McGrath , that lateral movement was plain to see yesterday and he was always going to be a major threat. That ball sees the back of Samuels for 5 and the Windies are reeling at 171-5.

Ramdin has joined Smith and has smited two 4's off McGrath straight away - pugnacious lil devil isn't he !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 7:34am
Smith shoulders arms to a McGrath delivery and it clips top of off stump - gone for a fine 88. Great effort , especially after being hit on the bonce by a Lee missile!

179-6 now and Powell joins Ramdin - a long , long way to go for the Windies now.

Can't be long before the close , Warne is bowling , they have to get through this session without further catastrophe .

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 7:45am
They're still playing , just over 5 overs to go today. The reason they're still out there is because 27 minutes were lost to rain before the start. That time can be made up , plus the extra half an hour allowed by the blessed ICC for slow over rates.

West Indies clinging on at 182-6 , Michael Clarke turning his arm now - if he nips one out , Ponting will be called a genius!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 7:51am
Bad light does intervene and the batsmen take it. 5 overs lost again today and a massive task ahaead for the Windies.

1st target will be the follow on score of 236 , but they'll be hoping to get well past that.

   Even if they fail to get to the follow on , Ponting will probably elect to bat again and give Warne the best conditions to finish the job.

   The weather has been a bit unsettled in that region and might play a part - maybe that is the Windies only chance of staving off defeat in this 1st Test.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2005 at 11:53am
well, WI are trailing by 253 runs with only 4 wickets in hand. they obviously won't make it much farther unless their tail can do what australia's tail-enders did. australia's tail-enders added around 140 runs to the australian total. if the WI tail enders can do that it'll be a big bonus for them though it still won't be enough to reach the Australian total.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 November 2005 at 3:06am
West Indies really suck. This is the 100th test between the two great nations and they are getting pillaged by Australia.

What a shame.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 November 2005 at 8:03am
They are getting pillaged by Australia, just as every other team in the world has been pillaged by Australia, prior to the Ashes series.

The defeat to England does not necessarily show the loss of strength by Australia, but rather how much England have improved. I foresee Australia remaining the best team in the world for a good couple of years, until McGrath and Warnie go (if they ever do!!). In fact, the current side can only improve. If Bracken comes good (which I doubt), or if they find a bowler to support Warne, McGrath and Lee, watch out South Africa.

When Clark comes good again (which he will), and they finally drop Katich, and stick someone else in, that will be an amazing batting order. And if Watson can translate his one day form into the test arena, I would go as far as saying Australia are the most perfectly balanced team in the world, possbily ever.

The scary thing is, ladies and gentleman, this Australian team haven't played to their potential for 2 years. They haven't found replacements for the Waugh twins yet, but they still dominate. If they do reach their potential again, before the inevitable dip, well, watch out whoever is in their way.

I would be very careful of arrogance Bokkie. South Africa are on the up, no doubt about it. But I do fear the series against Australia may have come a season too early. I dearly hope that we don't see the same thing happening (as with the Windies now) to South Africa later this year. I doubt we will, but it is a possibility non the less.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 November 2005 at 12:57pm
i agree with everything you said. there is no doubt that the ashes loss was a demonstration of how much england have improved, not of the loss of strength of australia. but australia are declining, but as you said they still 0dominate even when not playing to their full potential.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 November 2005 at 5:35pm
anyway, at the end of day 3, australia are at 283/2 (run rate: 4.29), leading by 508 runs with 8 wickets in hand. they are dominating. even if they declare mid way through day 4, they will have plenty of time to bowl out WI.
If australia set WI a target of 600, i think WI will just collapse under pressure chasing such a big target and lose.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 November 2005 at 5:38pm
Ponting is not out on 104, and hayden went for a very exceptional 118. (end of day 3)

Mike Hussey has not been impressive on his debut, gone for 1 in his first inning and 29 in his second inning. lets hope the australian board gives him a few more chances.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 November 2005 at 5:36am
australia, i guess declared and i didn't know it.
so ponting was not out on 104, and clarke not out on 14. australia declared at 283 for 2, setting WI a near impossible target of 509 to win. WI were fine at 84 for 2 but then they collapsed and were all out for 129 thanks to a 5 for 30 from Brett Lee and 4 for 48 from Bracken.
so australia have won the first test by 379 runs, and that is a huge margin.
congrads to ponting for scoring consecutive centuries in both innings of the game and to hayden for his ton in the second inning.


what does recman have to say to this, i mean australia are just being destroyed by the windies!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 November 2005 at 5:41am
man of the match ofcourse was ponting!!


hussey made his test debut and didn't impress anyone, hopefully if he plays the next test he will redeem himself.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 November 2005 at 6:10am
All too predictable and very disappointing froma neutral's perspective.

Australia were professional and did the job and West Indies showed how little they enjoy a scrap! That sums up this team best - whereas the old Windies had fire in their bellies , this lot haven't so much as a dim spark!!

Don't hold your breath for the rest of the series , what's certain is a 3-0 scoreline and a prediction that the 129 score will NOT be the Windies lowest in the series!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 November 2005 at 8:49am
Bad luck for Shane Watson , dislocating his shoulder yesterday . He's having an operation today and will be out for about 2 months. Stuart McGill was 12th man for the 1st test , and will in all likelihood make the starting line up for the 2nd.

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