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daisy77 
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 Topic: Australia's most valuable one-day playerPosted: 20 July 2007 at 12:34pm |
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Brett Lee should not be on that list. He is a good bowler but Australia was without him for the whole world cup and they still managed to win so it proves that they don't need him to win matches so I don't think he's the most valuable player on their odi team!
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spin wizard
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Posted: 20 July 2007 at 5:02pm |
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Players don't win you matches, team work does!!
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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143no
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Posted: 20 July 2007 at 7:49pm |
Similar to the windies winning the ODI series against england without Lara, show's he is not needed.
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cricketluva
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Posted: 21 July 2007 at 8:33am |
Umm, no.
Brett Lee has pulled some miraculous spells of bowling to help Australia win games. He is a match winner. SOme of these 4 and 5-fors he has pulled out of thin air have stunned the opposition (I can think of an number of instances - I don't need to tell you all of them).
I totally disagree. Australia is strong enough to win without one of its stars - considering the team features 10-11 stars, not 1 star in Brian Lara (for the Windies), etc.
Brett Lee is one of the finest bowlers in ODI history, and he hovers around the likes of Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, McGrath and Pollock as the premier ODI fast men (Bond too, if only he didn't get so injured and possibly Shoaib).
Brett Lee has a fine record, his fielding in the deep is marvellous, he is super fit and a handy pinch hitter (and can player the longer inning when, but rarely needed).
Brett Lee should most certainly be in that poll, if not be one of the main candiates for the most valuable Australian player.
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143no
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Posted: 21 July 2007 at 8:51am |
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He might hover around Wasin akram, but that would only be to pick up his towels, he is nowhere near that class.
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cricketluva
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Posted: 21 July 2007 at 8:58am |
I dare say he is the closest any other quickie has gotten to him since Wasim retired.
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143no
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Posted: 21 July 2007 at 11:45am |
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That's more to do with the standard of bowlers than a rap for Lee.
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cricketluva
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Posted: 21 July 2007 at 11:58am |
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Umm.. McGrath, Pollock, Shoaib, Bond, Ntini, Flintoff, Bracken, the emergance of Asif..... I would say that ain't a bad standard since Wasim left.
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143no
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Posted: 21 July 2007 at 12:05pm |
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Not bad, but nowhere near great.
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cricketluva
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Posted: 21 July 2007 at 2:47pm |
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Jeez your picky.
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143no
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Posted: 21 July 2007 at 2:59pm |
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I have seen Lee smashed around too much to class him great, and after watching some state cricket this year, Ben Hilfenhaus will be our next big thing, he will be become a star when he gets the chance to play international cricket.
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EnglandFan
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Posted: 21 July 2007 at 5:57pm |
Agreed
 No doubt Brett Lee is a fine bowler and a very important part of the austrailian bowling attack. I wouldnt say hes the MOST valuable player for australia in odi cricket since hes wicket taking ability can be replaced somewhat by Tait, althought Tait isn't the class of Lee and doesnt have the control Lee does. Having Lee in the team along side bracken hogg tait makes austrailia a far better bowling unit. However i wouldnt say hes anywhere close to Waqars class and certainly nowehere near Wasims class, but at this time hes one of the best front line bowlers along with Bracken, Asif, Pollock, Bond.
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cricketluva
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Posted: 22 July 2007 at 3:48am |
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You never say Wasim Akram being hit around?
Lee is probably as close we have seen, Wasim is in a league of his own, but I think Lee is the go to man in the Aussie side, especially when bowling 2nd.
All in all, I am trying to say that not even considering Lee as a valuable player is jsut plain ignorant. |
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143no
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Posted: 22 July 2007 at 9:51am |
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The world cup showed just how valuable.
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cricketluva
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Posted: 22 July 2007 at 10:04am |
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Did you read what I wrote before????????????
The Australian is world class - it has 10-11 stars in the side anyway. So, if one is injured another guy, not quite as good, but world class comes in and replaces him. Australia is far and away the best side, they have good resources. I mean, if Ponting is injured Australia is still favourite to win.
We ain't West Indies, where they rely on Lara - and anyway I have see WI win without him and lose with him in the side many times.
Lee is very valuable - probably in the top 3 or 4. Considering how batsman dominated the ODI game is. |
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bondy
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Posted: 22 July 2007 at 10:09am |
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Symonds for me. The best fielder in the game- a destructive batsman who, like Gilchrist, can and has turned games. A useful bowler also with his mediums/off-spin. Closely followed by Gilly and Punter.
Edited by bondy - 22 July 2007 at 12:33pm |
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Good one Graham!
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cricketluva
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Posted: 22 July 2007 at 12:29pm |
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That is a fair call Bondy, I would finish off with Hussey and Lee/Bracken for a top 5.
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143no
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Posted: 22 July 2007 at 1:13pm |
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Don't all these posts clearly point out we don't have a most valuable player?
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cricketluva
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Posted: 22 July 2007 at 1:34pm |
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Nosh. We don't I said that before as well.
But, you just can't totally rule out Lee.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 22 July 2007 at 6:41pm |
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Bracken's a better bowler than Lee in ODI's but Lee's fielding and batting put him up as a better player than Bracken.
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cricketluva
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 8:48am |
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There you go.
All though Lee can be more devastating than Bracken, Bracken is soooooooooooo valuable and underrated. A class act he is. Actually he is also a decent bat, his fielding ain't bad, arm isn't that strong I reckon.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 23 July 2007 at 4:10pm |
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I rate Bracken from what I have seen him done in ODI's but I think he is under rated because he hasn't been given much matches in test cricket and that's where you test one's character. He'll just have to remain an ODI specialist for the remainder of his career one feels.
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samhache
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Posted: 02 August 2007 at 9:28pm |
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Roy is Australia's most valuable ODI player. As Bondy already outlined, his ability in the three areas (batting, fielding and bowling) of the game is outstanding. He really adds another level to Australias lineup and seems to be a star of their already exquisite team (in battrick terms). I think its his fielding that makes him my pick for the Most valuable, either him or Micheal Clarke are the best fielders in the game, whom are currently playing. Plus, him and the carpark outside the stadium have a great relationship! |
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Dan Can
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Posted: 14 August 2007 at 10:29am |
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Must be Shane Watson........
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MP12
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Posted: 14 August 2007 at 11:19am |
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Who are you?
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spin wizard
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Posted: 14 August 2007 at 6:02pm |
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The only thing comes to mind with Dan Can comments are sarcastic, other than that, it has to be crap!
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Posted: 17 August 2007 at 11:21am |
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Michael Clarke...one day he will be the leading run getter in both forms of the game
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samhache
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Posted: 18 August 2007 at 4:02am |
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really? You think hes that good?
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Posted: 19 August 2007 at 12:09pm |
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Thats ridiculous, I very much doubt that will ever happen. He's talented but not that talented. I don't see him outdoing Pietersen in the near future and there's still Cook who looks extremely promising and Ponting's gonna be around for another several years.
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Posted: 25 August 2007 at 5:10am |
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Get out 70DS.
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