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    Posted: 07 June 2011 at 6:48am
Katich's career has effectively been ended, as well as Marcus North, as the pair have failed to secure contracts for this year.

This is the current list , with a few surprises:

Cricket Australia contracts list 2011-12: Doug Bollinger, Michael Clarke, Patrick Cummins, Xavier Doherty, Callum Ferguson, Brad Haddin, Ryan Harris, John Hastings, Nathan Hauritz, Ben Hilfenhaus, Phillip Hughes, David Hussey, Michael Hussey, Mitchell Johnson, Usman Khawaja, Jason Krejza, Brett Lee, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, James Pattinson, Ricky Ponting, Peter Siddle, Steven Smith, Shane Watson, Cameron White.

While the following have lost their contract:
Katich, James Hopes, Andrew McDonald, Clint McKay, Marcus North, Shaun Tait and Adam Voges


With Hussey and Ponting both over 35, the selectors have obviously felt that another 35 year old cricketer, coming back from injury, in Katich is not worth playing.
Only two additional pacers have been picked, young gun Patrick Cummins, who I have seen footage of, and he's quick + 18 and Pattinson.

Hauritz is still contracted, while Beer wasn't. I guess this indicates he's in the selectors plans. Krejza has been included also, as has Steve Smith (presumably as an all rounder) and Doherty. That's 4 spinners, which is quite odd.

Nonetheless, just looking at the list makes me cringe about the state of Australian cricket at the moment. We need to stick to players and give them a proper go. For crying out loud, Steve Waugh didn't make a ton til his 28th test or whatever it was!


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Just looking at that list gives some idea as to why Australia have fallen off their perch - the quality is there , but there's not enough of it.   There's a belief that the game goes in cycles and the highs are offset with the not-so-highs or even the lows (see West Indies) , but you have to go back an awful long time to see a squad of Australians so lacking in class.
           It's possible that Ponting might not see too many series wins in the rest of his illustrious career and that might bring about his retirement some years before he really wanted to take it.


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They stuck my Hauritz for a long time, they should have continued with him. I'd also like to see Johnson go and Harris lead the attack. Bollinger is also one of the best limited overs bowlers around and he can do the job in the test format. Need to play a side like this in tests:

1. Watson
2. Hughes
3. Ponting
4. Clarke*
5. Khawaja
6. Hussey, M
7. Paine†
8. Harris
9. Hauritz
10. Bollinger
11. Hilfenhaus/Siddle

I still have faith in Hilfenhaus, he has the ability , pace and swing. If not him, then Siddle.

I still can't believe O'Keefe can't get recognised by the selectors, he's light years ahead of Doherty as a spinner and a top 6 batsman. He's definitely got more about him than Smith. If they want a spinning all-rounder, which could be useful, particularly with North gone and no great spinner in the side, then play O'Keefe at 6. He's got the talent, and stick with him.
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that is a good side Mikey except that I'd go with Johnson in place of Hilfenhaus. I also believe that both Harris and Bollinger should be regulars in both forms of the game. AUS need a better spinner though, I do not rate hauritz at all neither do I rate smith. I feel Krejza is a good bowler, he is an attacking spinner and can turn the ball a good deal but he leaks far too many runs.
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Even though Krejza does turn the ball, his accuracy is poor. Every single over HE ALWAYS drags a ball short and gets hit for four. It's just pathetic. Australian conditions have seldom been conducive to finger spin. All our best spinners have been leggies (Grimmet, O'Reilly, Benaud, Warne, MacGill... can you see the pattern?).
There's a young leg spinner , Boyce , from QLD... he is a decent bowler, we might see him around next season. We need to spot talent like that. If you look at the youth teams, every spinners is a finger-spinner, who bats in the top 6. We don't want spinning all rounders, we want specialist spin bowlers. Finger spinners will never take big hauls in Australia. Just ask Murali! Even Swann wasn't that flash last Ashes. Kaneria, Kumble, Warne and MacGill have been awesome in Australia conditions.

The key , I think is to play your best attack. I'd much rather see 4 fast bowlers, maybe 2 left armers and 2 right armers and then a spin bowling all rounder like O'Keefe at 6 or 7. The kid can bat and can accurately bowl 15-20 overs an innings. Fact is, Harris and Johnson, if they both play, are decent batsmen and if you had them at 8 and 9 then having O'Keefe at 6 wouldn't be a liability. They just won't pick the kid!

Like Sledger said earlier, there is quality in that Australian line up. They just need some consistency. If Clarke, Ponting and Watson are at their best then there's no reason why Australia couldn't make 350+ in most of their innings. We know what all of these men are capable of, there just needs to be consistency and confidence.

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There's certainly not any combination of XI in that contracted squad that is going to terrify the rest of the world.

On the bowling front, Harris is a worthy trier, but his body doesn't appear to be up to playing a Test series. The same looks increasingly true of Bollinger, Hilfenhaus appears to get more and more innocuous the more he plays, whilst Siddle is another whose game is based all on effort, and is at very best a third seamer in any half decent team. That leaves Johnson, who is....well, Johnson (no, that isn't a compliment) plus whoever else is coming in from the outside. Hauritz is the best of a bad bunch in the spin department.

Of the batsman, Watson has to start making 100's, Hughes needs to stop embarassing himself, Ponting and Clarke only made one 50 each in their last series and averaged 16 and 21 respectively, so Mike Hussey probably doesn't want to get too comfy in the changing rooms at the start of an innings. Khawaja looks promising, but the Aussies wetting themselves with excitement at a bloke making 30 on debut shows how far the mighty have fallen.


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I've personally never seen such a poor Australian side, I wasn't around in the late 80's so I'm not 100% about how bad the team was back then under Border.

There is a talent there, but like you say Clobber, nothing that will terrify the world.

It's all about consistency. If Harris and Bollinger stay fit, you have to quick bowlers who can get the ball to swing. That's pretty useful, but those guys need back up. Johnson playing one good match every series is simply not good enough, he needs to take wickets all the time and he just doesn't do that.

Hughes has the ability, but why not bring back a proven performer like Phil Jacques, or Chris Rogers or Michael Klinger. Yes, they're a bit older, but they all proven first class performers. What about putting David Hussey in the middle order too? Australia should look at Pakistan, they brought back a 36 year old Misbah and he's been excellent. We have to be patient with the young talent, because unfortunately there isn't anyone really eye-catching. All our fast bowlers can bowl quick, but none of them are particularly accurate. All our batsmen can play strokes, but none of them are particularly consistent....
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One of the interesting things for me is that you look at the Aussies who come and play in county cricket these days, and not many of them tear it up. Compare this back to the 90's and early 2000's where guys like de Venuto, Cox, and Mike Hussey used to score millions of runs and looked a class apart yet at that time never get a sniff off playing international cricket. The same is true of guys like Katich, Jacques and Rogers who got the odd go internationally, but were never really first choice (Katich only became so belatedly, and already past his prime).
 
 
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Clobber I do wonder what effect the lack of funds in English county cricket is having on that front. Kent weren't planning on having an overseas player at all, and a lot of county sides are bringing in a specialist for t20 only.

The relative strength of the Aussie dollar against the Pound can't be helping things either. What once was a golden payday season with an English club side probably now translates to just enough to pay for the flight home!
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One of the interesting things for me is that you look at the Aussies who come and play in county cricket these days, and not many of them tear it up. Compare this back to the 90's and early 2000's where guys like de Venuto, Cox, and Mike Hussey used to score millions of runs and looked a class apart yet at that time never get a sniff off playing international cricket. The same is true of guys like Katich, Jacques and Rogers who got the odd go internationally, but were never really first choice (Katich only became so belatedly, and already past his prime).
 
 


Dead right Clobber. Could probably add Stuart Law to that list, even Cameron White and David Hussey have been very good professionals over in County Cricket. Hughes did very well in 2nd division, certainly hit a purple patch and was averaging 60 in FC cricket at one stage, but he's been found out by fast bowlers.

The problem in Australia is both the pitches and the youth policy, which means there are no senior players around the scene, nurturing the young players as well as providing for good cricket. The wickets here also, in state cricket, are fast bowler's paradises and don't reflect what test conditions are truly like. As I said, our fast bowlers bowl really quick, but they have no idea on how to bowl on flat wickets.
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Be grateful still Mikey, at least your side still win games!!
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Originally posted by Mikey

Need to play a side like this in tests:

1. Watson
2. Hughes
3. Ponting
4. Clarke*
5. Khawaja
6. Hussey, M
7. Paine†
8. Harris
9. Hauritz
10. Bollinger
11. Hilfenhaus/Siddle



 Nice team but I think Katich can still hold his own.  Also really keen on watching Khawaja and Ferguson in the coming seasons.
 
 Spinning options still too bland.
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Wouldn't mind seeing Shaun Marsh open either, could be a better option than Hughes.

Haddin has to go, if they don't want old players then why is he in the side? His performances are not that great, don't really justify a spot in the test side. Paine made a 50 and a 90 in his last 2 tests in India against a decent Indian attack.

It's funny they drop Katich even though he's been our best batsman in the last 2 years, only Cook has scored more runs than he. While Ponting and Hussey are continued with, despite both of them having very average seasons in the last 2 years. Hilditch and co. need to go. Appointing Greg Chappell was also a mistake, we saw how he almost ruined India. The guy is useless, even when he coached South Australia they never won a single trophy.

In addition, John Buchannan was always criticised, but the worst we ever did under him was lose the Ashes in 2005, and it's not like Australia was thrashed in that series. Yet Tim Nielsen is NEVER put under the microscope. Who the hell is Tim Nielsen anyway?

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Katich's axing is disappointing. His only fault was that he was an under the radar character and almost went unnoticed throughout. I was also astonished by the fact that he has been the second most prolific score in the past three years. I thought PCB was the worst - they probably still are - but if CA  continues at this rate - PCB will soon have a tough competitor.
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Katich has really sounded off about the selectors !  He's every reason to be hacked off , Andrew Hilditch is a joke ! That the selectors are part timers is ridiculous and to tell Katich that they're looking at a new opening aprtnership for the 2013 Ashes doesn't hold water for me.  The fact is that Katich/Watson have been terrific at the top of the order - it's the rest of the line up that's been average at best!    His outburst is probably going to get him in hot water , but I respect him for giving them both barrels.
                 Just watch the new opening pair fail a few times and they go grovelling back to Katich - then I hope he tells them where to get off!


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I agree Sledge, you've got to respect him for telling it like it is. He said he considered going the legal route, but decided to voice his opinion first, a good idea in my view.

When the story broke I couldn't help but think where else would you get away with essentially sacking someone (by terminating their contract) and giving the public reason that they are too old! We've had so many age discrimination cases in the UK recently, and I'm sure Aus aren't that far behind. Given that he has a strong case to prove he is still the best man for the job, I think he could quite easily take CA to the cleaners in a tribunal!
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Absolutely foolish decision by Australia.  Decisions like these is why they are currently a poor bunch compare to their standards.  Stuart Clark got dropped for "promising" players like Siddle, Hilfenhaus etc yet none of them possesses the record that he had.  Stuart Clark hardly ever bowled bad for Australia in test Cricket, probably only one series I can remember him failing in and that was against India in the sub continent.
 
They've gone and done the same with Katich, when he, Watson and Hussey have been there only 3 reliable batsman lately!  Absolutely foolish.  If Australia continue the way they are going, they are soon going to be like the West Indies.  They might be longer in the business than me but trust me, as a West Indian, we've seen all the nonsense that can happen and it's the same road that CA is heading down!
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Clark replaced McGrath perfectly, that 2008 series after we lost Langer, Hayden, Martyn, Warne and McGrath in which we beat South Africa in South Africa was due to Stuart Clark. We were winning matches without those 5 brilliant cricketers, because the selectors were getting it right. They chose Hughes when he was in great form and he scored 2 tons and a 50... Johnson was making big runs and taking wickets and was rightfully selected... and the top order was clicking.

The best players in the country, David Hussey, Rogers, Klinger, Jaques, McDonald (look at his stats last season, purely awesome), Brad Hodge, Trent Copeland, Marc Cameron... etc.... are never selected.

Instead, they contract an 18 year old (Cummins) who has played 3 FC games and taken almost no wickets. Mitchell Starc would have been a better option, for instance.

Give Siddle, Johnson and Hilfenhaus one more season and you won't see them play international cricket again. There's a new crop of FAST bowlers, and I think we will see this current them embarrass the current 3 favoured bowlers...
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The Aussie selectors have a history of getting rid of players very abruptly - remember Steve Waugh ?  I'm not saying they were wrong , usually the newcomer was a class act and the team's success continued.    But in recent times they've lost the plot - the Ashes selections reminded me of England under Atherton at times.  The shambolic selection of so many spinners since Warne's retirement highlights their indecision - and indecision then seeps into the players themselves , not knowing if they'll be there for the next test if they have one poor match.
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Forgive me, I'm about to rant.....(About the contracts, not all of them, but some anyways.)

Patrick Cummins,This is where getting rediculous. What about Clark? What about so many others? Heck, I'd prefer McDonald over a newbie like this.

Callum Ferguson, How long does it take him to get a proper test spot? I'd really love to see him get one.

Nathan Hauritz, Yawn. Jason Krezja, Yawn. Etc. Face it, a full pace attack with a part time spinner would be much better than trying to find a full time spinner.

Ben Hilfenhaus, A good player I thought, but I have to agree that he seems to get worse with every match.

Phillip Hughes, Worth it, if only he'd find a way to fix up his form and the fact that half a dozen people are picking holes in his style.

Mitchell Johnson, I still remember the two South African series, then that Damned Ashes tour where he just lost all of his power, he's never seemed to find that kick since then except at the WACA. Maybe dropping him would be a good thing, maybe not, just find some way of fixing him.

Usman Khawaja,  James Pattinson,  Steven Smith, Don't even get me started on these.



Katich... KATICH! Seriously? Great. So you want to drop one of the ONLY consistant performers in your batting line-up? Ugh. Please, someone kick Hildritch, Neilson and co. for me.

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Nathan Hauritz, Yawn. Jason Krezja, Yawn. Etc. Face it, a full pace attack with a part time spinner would be much better than trying to find a full time spinner.


I remember RSA play 4 seamers and only part time spinners when they didn't have a world class spinner in their ranks, Nicky Boje was perhaps the only one who used to feature because he was an all rounder and they were still very successful (Donald, Pollock, Ntini, Nel/Ngam normally formed the attack). So not bad call that, until you find someone who is good enough... but then they might be playing people like Smith, Krejza and Hauritz thinking of them to be like Nicky Boje.

As for the bowlers, well I've said this before, Australia got carried away by the young breed of bowlers like Siddle, Hilfy, Tait etc... and disregarded their main bowlers like Clark, Bracken, Gillespie, etc... way too early, only to find out that their best bowler in the world cup was the old man Brett Lee!!!

On others, honestly I'm still to see anything impressive from Hughes, he is definitely over rated, Khawaja I cannot comment much on because I haven't seen much of him.

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I saw impressive stuff for him in the first few tests, but again, like Johnson, he seemed to start struggling in England and has yet to come back from that.

EDIT: This is Hughes I'm talking about...



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 Yes was really impressive in his first two outings and I'd thought ,then , that they had just unearth their next biggest talent after Ponting. Lost his fizz since then esp after his shortcomings against the shorter balls were discovered.

 Problem for him has probably been , he started off his career with a bang too loud for his own liking. The hype and pressure just shot up manifold. A victim of his own success one could say. Think it should just be a matter of time though before he finds his feet , esp after the dish Katich got, he should be getting a lot more opportunities.
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