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Poll Question: Who is the best batsman of modren era
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    Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:40pm
Spot on Raj, I can assure you Ponting had an easier time than lara and Tendulkar, who could be in with plenty shine still on that cherry.  In Lara's case, it happened quite often.
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I think Sachin handles pressure absolutely fine. You can't say he doesn't perform when it counts, because he does time and time again.
Ponting is a matchwinner, but then again when he plays Australia always won no matter what because the side was great. Lara was a top batsman, but how'd he have performed when playing with Viv, Lloyd, etc. Better or worse? Perhaps that would have brought out way more from him. Who knows? You can't just second guess. Look at the player, look at his performances, look at his strengths and weaknesses and look at his record home and away. Sachin has virtually no weaknesses and he has performed on every continent against every side against every type of bowling and on all sorts of wickets. He faced Wasim, Warne, Donald, Ambrose, Murali etc all in their pomp. For mine he is the best, hands down, no one betters him. Not only has he made a zillion runs, he's hard to get out and he scores at an extremely high rate (just look at his ODI SR of 88, that's ridiculous for a man who averages 45 and bats at the top of the order). Sachin is a freak. The best batsman I have ever seen.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:48pm
The pressure isn't "less" for Ricky, it's just different. He has to compete for his spot in the side, he has to skipper the side as well and has come under a lot of fire throughout (Lara and Sachin both couldn't handle captaincy particularly well to be quite frank) and he a VERY high expectation placed on him. That's still a lot of pressure mate. Any test match is pressure and Ricky is not one to shirk responsibility.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote MalhotraRaj84 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:54pm

Well Ponting missing in poll is a mismatch in current day context or even in 2006, but we have seen Good Ponting from debut till 2001/2002 and Excellent Ponting then on till now.

The thread seems of started by someone in 2006.So maybe this thread needs to be closed.


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I can see the argument, surely, statistically at least, Ponting must be on a list of the best batsman for this decade, especially between 2003 up to 2008 I think where he was in a kind of form that some players has never even dreamed of being in.
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I feel that Ponting is effective, in that he makes a lot of runs, but he's not as flamboyant (like Lara) or technically sound (like Sachin) as Lara and Sachin. Sachin is the ideal package and Lara is just brilliant to watch. Don't get me wrong Ricky is wonderful to watch when on song, but I always feel you can get him early on with that newish ball when he plants his front foot. I also think he's quite suspect to finger spin, mostly off spin. Sachin has almost no weaknesses, a few little things here and there but nothing overawing. That's why Sachin's the best in my opinion. He's just a total package. 
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Yeah, Sachin is more of a complete player than lara.  You basically got more chances with Lara because of that flashing blade and from Ponting because he can get lbw's or the away swinger from back of a length just outside off because of his footworks but that shows how good he is.  He still ends up getting lots of runs flicking through mid wicket although that can be one way of working him over.  Finger spin is his biggest weakness, he has quick reaction so the back of a length away swingers are negated well most of the times.
 
I feel for spinners you have to be more still then move when the length is picked up, Ponting is more on the move than Sachin.  Sachin just uses a little stride forward to spinners nagging on a length, he has his own way and that's why they just have to be marginally back of a length for him to cut and pull them.
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I think Sachin is probably the best since Bradman (or at least top 5) and Lara has the most flair of recent times, but neither of them can play the straight drive or hook/pull better than he. Not even Sachin can hook 6s off the front foot at will like Punter can.
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Ponting and Gayle are the two best players of short fast bowling I've seen.  Gayle has height so he would have less fear of bowlers and not to mention his weight is always on the backfoot.  Harmison in his pomp bowling short stuff use to get dispatch back down to the square boundary.  Ponting is just superb, anything slighty short goes!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2009 at 2:28am
Ponting is still miles better than Gayle on that front. I've actually seen teams use short pitch bowling as a strategy to get Ponting out. Of course Ponting gets out to the pull and hook, it's because he plays it so often, but feeding him short balls just makes me laugh. Another top play of the horizontal strokes was Adam Gilchrist. Played a hell of a lot of cricket at the WACA which helps.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote punterrulz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2009 at 5:09am
Yeah if your talking the last 25 years the best batsmen thing is different. The last decade lara, ponting and tendy have been the standouts but since about 1980 you d have to include others. Lets go for the top 5 since 1980. Still lara, ponting, tendulkar, richards, gavaskar. Yeah not sure about that. Richards was good and tore attacks apart early in hes career like no other batsmen we ve seen. He played on too long though and hes career record dosent do him justice. Played about 50 tests too many. Although more tests are played these days and the players score more runs in shorter periods of time I still think lara, ponting and tendy have played at a higher level for longer then richards. Richards, great player but fizzeled out very early.
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He hardly fizzled out early, he was 39 when he packed up Test cricket. He might not have been the player he was, but he still was averaging 44 over the last 4 years of his career which was a damn good average in that era, and the only reason he kept going was a selfless one as the West Indies needed him to lead the team through the transition from the great 80's unit.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2009 at 1:38pm
As I stated Viv is one of the best of the modern era. Punter get a grip, batting now is a lot different to before. Wickets are flatter, grounds are smaller and faster, bats are bigger, the game is more professional, etc. Batting now is much, much easier than it was in the 90s and before. Especially in the 70s when Viv played a lot of his cricket. I'd rather face Hilfenhaus and Siddle than Lilllee and Thommo that's for certain.
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Clobber, fizzled out early in terms of form, not left the game entirely. That is my point richards was a much better batsmen then his record indicates.  39 when when he packed up test cricket? my point entirely! he played on too long and his record suffered for it. I dont think he played on because hes selfless, i think he didn't know when to retire, the west indian selectors finally dropped him before the 1992 world cup. Did the same to lara after he had a brilliant seriers against pakistan in 2006.
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Maybe he kept playing out of purer love of the game. Why would you stop something you love, are still good at (but not as good as you used to be because of age for instance)? This is why I don't judge on stats.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote punterrulz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 November 2009 at 12:53pm
Thats right. You cant judge on stats because richards s stats are ****! he was much better then his stats. You cant be a bad player and have a great record either though. 
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Mate look at all his awards. top 5 greatest according to wisden of the 20th C.... Go to his wikipedia page and it summarises which players thought he was the best and all his wisden accolades, including best ever ODI player. since you seem to regard wisden so highly might be worth a look.
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oh dear you ve missed my simple point. My point is that richards IS a great player. You look at his record over 121 tests and its good but not great. the fact he played on for as long as he did dosent do the man justice. Im not arguing with you in agreeing with you.
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It like Dravid milky, I don't think he'll ever retire, he loves the game too much.  The selectors will have to keep on ignoring him as far as I'm concerned.  he had a very rotten patch and if one doesn't call it a day after that, I don't think they ever will.
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Where is JP Duminy in this poll ??
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maybe in about 25 hundreds time
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the topic states 'modern era' not 'last year'.
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JP Duminy will be there in 5 years time for sure when a similar thread will be created by someone.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2009 at 8:50am
Duminy's maturity is quite startling , he had nowt 12 months ago and now he's loaded. His feet are firmly on the ground and when interviewed he comes across as extremely modest. I foresee him eventually batting at 4 for SA (maybe 3 or 4 years time) and also getting 10 or so overs an innings - he's not the worst offie around and he will improve.  Add to that , he's no slouch in the field!
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Future skipper I think as well. Definitely more potential as skipper than Hashim Amla who they have touted as potential skipper too... no doubt.
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I guess ABD will be their future skipper Milks. Also how good is Mark Boucher's replacement there?
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Heino Kuhn is an excellent bat/wk. Morne van Wyk is impressive too.

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Kuhn is the future , much tidier behind the stumps than van Wyk. Not much in the batting as yet though.
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