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seriously W.G. you and Mad max have such petty arguments!

Originally posted by samhache seriously W.G. you and Mad max have such petty arguments!

But rarely would I post anything as pointless as that.  So - the stock ball, what does that mean to you?

Originally posted by W.G. Originally posted by MadMax I said, we can argue endlessly. The areas are not clear cut. For example of spin can be with more side spin or over spin. Some might call it two varieties of off spinner and some will call it two variations of the off spinner I'm not arguing, I merely asked for clarification of your point.  So - all balls are the stock ball with variation ehh, interesting perspective.

To ask for clarification what you are saying should also be clear. Your point of view is equally questionable as mine. So it's unfair to ask clerifications from me when even you are not clear of your point of view.

For example over like this

19.1 Off spin pitched out side off turning in. played on front foot
19.2 Off spin, flighted out side off, turning a shade more, played on back foot
19.3 Off spin, flighted, slower, out side off, beats batsman through the gap
19.4 Off spin, flat, fast, on off stump, played behind sqaure for one
19.5 Arm ball, out side off, and keeping the line
19.6 Off spin, flat, with overspin, out side off, beats batsman's out side edge with the bounce.

balls 1-4, 6 are stock balls
ball 5 is the variation

Originally posted by MadMax To ask for clarification what you are saying should also be clear. Your point of view is equally questionable as mine. So it's unfair to ask clerifications from me when even you are not clear of your point of view. For example over like this 19.1 Off spin pitched out side off turning in. played on front foot 19.2 Off spin, flighted out side off, turning a shade more, played on back foot 19.3 Off spin, flighted, slower, out side off, beats batsman through the gap 19.4 Off spin, flat, fast, on off stump, played behind sqaure for one 19.5 Arm ball, out side off, and keeping the line 19.6 Off spin, flat, with overspin, out side off, beats batsman's out side edge with the bounce. balls 1-4, 6 are stock balls ball 5 is the variation

Max, there is nothing wrong in asking someone to clarify there point, you really must stop taking this personally, it is not. 

The action of the batsman or ball beating bat is irrelevant - this is not in the gift of the bowler so cannot be considered within your definition.  If I generally bowl offspin pitched outside off but then bowl flatter and faster - the two are very different deliveries.  Your stock ball is the ball you most frequently bowl, variations are exactly that - if it varies from your stock ball it can't be your stock ball.

Originally posted by W.G. Max, there is nothing wrong in asking someone to clarify there point, you really must stop taking this personally, it is not.  The action of the batsman or ball beating bat is irrelevant - this is not in the gift of the bowler so cannot be considered within your definition.  If I generally bowl offspin pitched outside off but then bowl flatter and faster - the two are very different deliveries.  Your stock ball is the ball you most frequently bowl, variations are exactly that - if it varies from your stock ball it can't be your stock ball.

The beating tha beat part is not relevent, strictly speaking as you say. The variations and different type of deliveries are not in the same context for me. variations are produced without much change in the grip, action and the release of the ball. Different types of balls are produced with different grip, release or action. Yes stock ball is the ball that you bowl most, and for a offie it's the off-spinner. No one says that Kumar Dharmasena's stock ball is tha flat off spinner and Ramesh Powar's stock ball is the flighted off spin. very one say it is the off spinner and that is the very reason that they are categorised as off break bowlers.

Originally posted by bondy Originally posted by W.G. Originally posted by samhache for example warnes stock ball, would be a leg spinner. But he obviously has variations such as the wrong un and flipper etc etc they were all named before. And, for murali its the offie, but again he has the variations just like warne. Thoughts? Or in W.G's case intensly heated debate? Where have I been heated Sam?   I think his tail is in between his legs after you pointed out his senselessness.

well, a tail that is worth noting anyway, it disappeared through evolution. Sledge you know what i mean, i think.

haha now thats something I can relate to..

Well, well Bondy. It looks like the 'lawyer' has arisen from the deep abyss, and is out to attack with fearsome strikeforce at a more 'rookie' member of the forum. It seems that my comment has alerted a sense of anger? Sledge i dont want small and insignificant comments of mine to cause a ruckus between such a senior member, so being the gratious lad that I am, I'm going to accept (not defeat) and move on to more important things. Plus I have bigger fish to fry...i regard Bondy as a mere snapper.

Originally posted by samhache Plus I have bigger fish to fry...i regard Bondy as a mere snapper.

I've a nice Bass sitting on my sink drainer

Originally posted by ponting111 Looks like bondy has dug himself a bit of a hole

Just a knowledgable cricketer voicing his opinion.

How does your knowledge of cricket have anything to do with the argument?

But you implied that your cricket knowledge was the basis of your opinion- the argument has nothing to do with cricket (sorry Sledge).

Edited by bondy - 02 June 2007 at 5:19am

If I can process this? I think you need to get off your high horse mate. I was voicing my opinion on what was said on a CRICKET forum. If you choose to bring non-cricketing issues to this place expect them to get commented on