Botham vs Flintoff

   The two greatest allrounders England has produced, who do you rate the best????

Poll Question: Who of these two great allrounders to you rate the best criketer?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Ian Botham	2	[25.00%]
Andrew Flintoff	6	[75.00%]
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Titan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Square Leg Joined: 07 November 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 400	Topic: Botham vs Flintoff Posted: 15 November 2005 at 11:16am
	The two greatest allrounders England has produced, who do you rate the best????
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Sledger Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Dickenson can marry my mother-in-law ! Joined: 08 August 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 15694	Posted: 15 November 2005 at 12:11pm
	Two of my heroes Titan and I've seen both at 1st hand. Botham was terrific and a fantastic cricketer , but I think Flintoff is immense! I don't say that lightly either , it's just that Freddie has done it against all opposition. Botham never inspired England against the mighty West Indies and his record was poor against them. Australia weren't the power we see today in the 80's - Packer and Ali Bacher made sure of that - but the Windies were at full strength. As hard as Beefy tried he never mastered their attack as a batsman at all , although his bowling was still potent. Flintoff is still young and having seen him today driving England on against Pakistan , I have to say he's a colossus , just the best cricketer in the world today. As great as Botham was , he wasn't that reveered in the cricket world at that time except in England. I feel sad , it's hit me that Beefy wasn't the greatest!!
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thebarmyarmy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Test Debutant Joined: 23 October 2005 Location: Bahrain Posts: 91	Posted: 15 November 2005 at 12:20pm
	if that is so, then i feel good for england cricket. im not going to vote because flintoff has got a long was to go before we can judge his career. very close though!

Titan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Square Leg Joined: 07 November 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 400	Posted: 15 November 2005 at 12:24pm
	Very good points, Botham also did not play against SA! I think many do not know just how a great team SA could have produced during the 70's and 80's if it was not for politics!! Greame Pollock Barry Richards Clive Rice Peter Kirsten Mike Proctor Eddie Barlow Garth Le Roux and many more greats!!!maybe even Alan Lamb and Robin Smith.
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Sledger Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Dickenson can marry my mother-in-law ! Joined: 08 August 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 15694	Posted: 15 November 2005 at 12:37pm
	Great players all , but I think Beefy would have been well liked in SA too Titan ! Remember he didn't debut for England until 1977 and peaked in the early to late 80's , Eddie would've been past his sell-by-date by then ! Interestingly , Lamb and Smith would have definitely been Springboks though !! I'd have loved to see Botham bowling to Jeeps and Richards in a test....mouth watering stuff !!
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saadadvanced7 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Banned 4000 Test Runs Joined: 04 August 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3938	Posted: 15 November 2005 at 1:03pm
	i have never seen botham in action but i have seen flintoff and i have read about botham. botham was a great cricketer. i read a book and there is a list of the 12 best cricketers and he is one of them. but i went with flintoff because he has proven himself against the best opposition, australia and botham on the other hand didn't prove himself (as sledger said) against WI, the best team of bothams time.
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Sledger Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Dickenson can marry my mother-in-law ! Joined: 08 August 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 15694	Posted: 15 November 2005 at 1:58pm
	It seems I've been vindicated , just this afternoon the greatest allrounder Sir Garry Sobers agrees that Flintoff is a better player than Beefy......great minds think alike !!
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saadadvanced7 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Banned 4000 Test Runs Joined: 04 August 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3938	Posted: 15 November 2005 at 5:33pm
	If Sobers said it, there is no doubt that it is true. flintoff is better than botham. Edited by saadadvanced7
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swerveman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Short Leg Joined: 09 June 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 397	Posted: 15 November 2005 at 9:35pm
	I agree with barmyarmy; it's too early to say. Mind you, I have a sneaky suspicion that Freddie will ultimately prove himself better.

saadadvanced7 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Banned 4000 Test Runs Joined: 04 August 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3938	Posted: 15 November 2005 at 11:07pm
	well, that is true that it is too early too judge flintoff just yet. but i'm sure that flintoff will only get better.
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Titan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Square Leg Joined: 07 November 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 400	Posted: 16 November 2005 at 9:42am
	I think personaly Botham had better BMT!!!
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swerveman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Short Leg Joined: 09 June 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 397	Posted: 16 November 2005 at 10:51am
	Well, Freddie didn't do himself any favours today!

Sledger Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Dickenson can marry my mother-in-law ! Joined: 08 August 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 15694	Posted: 17 November 2005 at 5:25am
	That's right swerve , an awful shot when he just had to bat sensibly. He's definitely happier against the seamers , Kaneria gave him problems.
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	i could tell whose better, to close to call
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