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    Posted: 21 June 2007 at 7:47am
 In today's Telegraph Michael Henderson has written a piece on the deteriorating behaviour of cricket crowds.
    As someone who's not lived in England for nigh on 25 years I can't really comment on his observations , but I respect his judgement.  The crazy costumes seen at cricket nowadays brought a smile when first seen , but I must admit , I find it tiresome and distracting now.
    That Sky shows these people at every opportunity , beer in hand (nothing wrong in that ) screaming and shouting (plenty wrong with that!) and apparently not bothering with what's happening in the middle.
     These so called fans just want exposure and a 'Did you see me on TV yesterday?" quip in the pub/office.
    Stewards stand and watch and laugh along with the foulmouthed antics - all this in close proximity of women and children. Call me old fashioned , but that's behaviour that deserves an eviction from the ground.
     I'm not adverse to the odd expletive , but in the right company. I enjoy my beer , but know my limits. More importantly , I love my cricket and the fine spectacle that it is takes almost total concentration.  Chatting between balls with friends , discussing the game , is terrific. But the people I go to cricket with all abide by one simple rule - we don't talk when the bowler turns at the end of his run.
    
The social side of cricket is part of it's appeal , but the game comes first. Respect for your fellow spectators is a close second , but that doesn't prevent making new friends and enjoying a good laugh along the way.

    In South Africa dressing up is very rare and I've experienced little rowdyism at tests , just a little overindulgence sometimes that has been sorted out (usually by other spectators , the stewards are hopeless!).  All in all , watching a test at Newlands differs little from my times at Old Trafford in the 60's - it's still a great experience.

    My question is - Is cricket less pleasurable in your part of the world nowadays? Is it downright unpleasant and you're loathe to attend now? Have you stopped taking your wife/girlfriend/parents and children?

    If the answer to any of those posers is "yes" then it's about time we lobbied our cricket committees and the ICC and see something done.
   
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Unfortunately it's not just a cricket problem, society has become very self obsessed, and the respect I was taught to show other other people seems to be a fading trait.  You cannot create rules that stop stupidity either, people are so eager to avoid taking responsability for things you see places having to put warning signs on things like " contents of this coffee cup are hot" "please don't stick limbs outside train windows" and so on, it's these type of people who have spoiled things for others, when I look back at the things I grew up doing that have now been banned because of morons, I get a little sad.
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 Yes mate , political correctness gone mad!!  Apparently in England they want to ban conkers , sacrilege,that !! 
 
   I don't want to get on my high horse , but when was the last time you saw a youngster hold a door open for a lady or give up a seat on the bus ?
 
    I think I'll just nip out and slap a student!
  
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Yeah your right, but where the argument gets odd is, who are our young people learning off? it's adults that decide the rules, change the way society goes, so where is the missing link? I learnt my values from my parents and grandparents, I am passing them onto my kids, I get frustrated though with older people who bash the youth, habits are learnt, so who is doing the teaching? The problem has got to be stemming from adults.
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I can only speak for Trent Bridge, which is the place I go to watch international cricket. There it is managed quite well as it is made quite clear that anyone wishing to join in Barmy Army style antics and general rowdiness should buy tickets for the William Clarke stand which is over to one corner and leaves the rest of the ground to watch the cricket.

From a distance it can be quite amusing in small doses though I would hate to be sat amongst them for a day. Indeed my notion of hell is to spend a lifetime saving up to follow England on an overseas tour then find myself stuck beside that Jimmy Saville lookalike pillock at the ground!

(As a general rule you may also find that buying the most expensive tickets tends to keep you away from the worst behaved specatators!)
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Cricket is definitely less pleasurable at the SCG these days, but for the opposite reason. When I was young my dad used to take me and the rest of the family to the Test, and we always sat on Yabba's Hill. The crowd was calm until about 3pm, when the effects of 5 hours drinking in the sun started to be felt. Once the rowdiness set in, every 5 minutes the coppers would be dragging another yobbo away to be kicked out. You would leave the ground soaked in beer from the Mexican wave. However, everyone knew this happened on the hill. I loved every minute of it, and we deliberately sat there because the atmosphere was more exciting and the vast majority of the yobbos were funny and good natured.

Now the fun police have put an end to it through a combination of authoritarian security and no longer selling proper beer. The SCG is now utterly sterile and eerily quiet thanks to this complete over-reaction. The people on the hill were always genuine cricket fans who were paying attention to the game, so this move was completely unwarranted.

The people who want to just sit and watch quietly should stay in the stands. Those who want to get into it and enjoy a day in the sun should stay in the concourse. That way everybody wins.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2007 at 9:26am
 Yes Roscoe , the security can be heavyhanded too , as I've said , a laugh at the cricket is part of the enjoyment.
    I have to admit that I always have a wander over to the Barmy Army at the lunchtime interval and enjoy the banter - some extremely funny lads amongst them and Clobs , "Jimmy" is alright!
     I like the idea of putting the "lively" ones in a single section , that way , you can't complain if you can't hear yourself think!

     It doesn't have to be a morgue-like atmosphere , but traditionally , cricket is a quieter sport. The tension at Edbaston when Lee and Kasper were within 3 runs of winning was excruciating - and the silence was deafening , anyone attempting to start a chant then would've been rightly lynched!
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The Barmy Army were very well behaved during the Ashes from what I saw. The only problem is how they sometimes start a chant and go on and on and on for literally half an hour without stopping. Is the goal to bore the opposition into submission? It must be a soccer influence.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2007 at 10:14am
 They have more staying power than I did at that age Roscoe!  True though , I've never seen them upset the locals and the landlords love 'em to death!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Clobber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2007 at 11:24am
I think the difference is that the ones who go on tour are the group itself, whilst at home games they attract the hangers on, notably those with little interest in the cricket beyond seeing it as an excuse for an all day booze up.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2007 at 1:19pm
 That's right Clobs , the lads that travel have worked hard to get the money together and they are cricket fans.   Many are contracted guys from the gulf who work their bums off to earn enough to take 3 months off to tour - real supporters!  They're not kids either , I'd say they're early 30's-40 and rather decent on the ale!
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I agree with put the one to party one side and the others can sit where ever they want. When I watch cricket in St. Vincent, those who want to party go over to the party stand and enjoy themselves where the music is and when you watch from the other stands, it's quite funny. The West Indians have a tendency to jump up when anything exciting happens and I see no problem with that. There is generally some chatting going on during play from others which I enjoy but they hold it off whenever a ball is going to be bowled which is good!
 
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(As a general rule you may also find that buying the most expensive tickets tends to keep you away from the worst behaved specatators!)
 
Ha ha Clobber, if you come to watch cricket in St. Vincent, you'll find yourself in the party stand! 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote scuudz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 June 2007 at 4:02pm
Sadly, I have never been to watch a cricket match but it is quite obvious to me that crowd behaviour at the cricket grounds have deteriorated over the years.  The 1996 WC semi-final at Eden Gardens sticks in my mind.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TCA123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2007 at 12:14am
ridiuclous, cricket is becoming more popular, more sociable and fastly generating a more unified support for our national side. Cricket crowds are becoming better
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Where i live, the team palying gets a crowd of around 200 people, but they are absolute fantastic and always giving their team 150% not matter the scorecard.
AT least it's better than soccer and other sports crowd so we got something good to feel proud of.
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    This is a really great thread Sledger - good work!  I am fortunate enough to live about 20 minutes from a really great international cricket ground - Adelaide Oval - and in the summer i love going down to watch some games.
    However, i do feel that the international games produce crowds that can be a bit of a turn-off.  I now prefer take my girlfriend (and binoculars) to a domestic game and be able to quietly explain to her exactly what Tait and Gillespie are trying to achieve, whilst having a nice chat between balls.
    Personally, i would prefer if crowds were more as Sledger has mentioned...  Put my vote in that box!
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Thanks Cap!!  Fortunately we're still in the great majority , genuine cricket lovers must make up 90+% of the crowd in stadiums around the world.
    Sadly that idiotic minority can ruin a fine day's play and a family day out with their mindless antics.
    Personally when an individual within my proximity behaves like a total pratt I have a plethora of put downs which - a) Puts him in his place and b) Brings a few laughs !   
     I still have yet to be punched too!!


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Post Options Post Options   Quote GreenCap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2007 at 9:31am
Cricket is now more a source of entertainment than a game. I would love to have a day off-the-work amongst a noisy passionate crowd (Ethics should not be sidelined for sure).
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Luckily at my source of international cricket "Jade Stadium" it is almost law, be it unwritten that the drunks buy tickets for the tui stand (funnily enough, tui is a brand of beer). Thus, leaving the rest of us to enjoy the cricket and laugh at their drunken antics. Though it is sad that this happens at all
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More distressing news from Derek Pringle , also from the Telegraph. He writes of unruly behaviour at T20 matches and highlights particularly unsavoury elements at Middlesex's match against Hampshire earlier this week.
          Hampshire's captain , Nic Pothas , says it's not a new phenomenon when playing Middlesex. For traditionalists I say calm down - this doesn't happen at Lords , but when Middlesex take their matches to satellite venues.
          Yobbish behaviour is one problem (Pothas talks of foulmouthed repostes about his mother) but thieving reared it's head at the same match , with wallets being taken.
     I find all this repugnant and that Middlesex's spokesman said that no complaints were forthcoming from either Hampshire or the stewards (and you know what I think of that body!) leave me cold - it's only a matter of time before a cricket match is abandoned because of crowd disruption.
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Although, Middlesex have responded saying the problems were exaggerated.

http://www.cricketworld.com/england/county/middlesex/article/?aid=12051

That's the Middlesex CCC statement regarding the matter.


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  Damage limitation only JP and not too convincing in my book.  Yet again the effectiveness of stewards is called into question and it strikes me that they're as much use as a chocolate teapot.
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So Robert Croft is the latest player to complain about verbal abuse.  He's a tough cookie and has been around , but when he says that the Somerset fans went "way over the top" in their recent T20 clash , then the ECB has to act.
        It's disappointing fellas. These fixtures are fantastic family affairs , but the foulmouthed brigade seem set on ruining the fun.  More security is needed and the yobs evicted at the first signs of trouble.

       Just how long before some thug invades the field and attacks a player physically?
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First things first….there should not be parks in the stadium….people just tend to have a picnic on the grassy area of the ground and seem least bothered about cricket in the centre!!

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Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

First things first….there should not be parks in the stadium….people just tend to have a picnic on the grassy area of the ground and seem least bothered about cricket in the centre!!



I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are trying to say here? Parks in the stadium? Can you explain further?

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 He means grass banks Homer - like we have in SA at Newlands , Wanderers and Centurion Park.  He's wrong too - on a fine day with the ole picnic basket , it's the perfect place for a family day out. 
     The grass banks are not the reason why rowdyism is rife - the trouble at English cricket grounds comes from all corners and you haven't got many grass banks anyway.   It's the yob element who care little for cricket , but like the licensing hours....
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Ah I see what you mean, and as you rightly say, there are hardly any here.

At any of the big grounds its all allocated seating, no ticket no entry!

I'm sure the yobs probably like the atmosphere at a ground and find that their behaviour is more 'tolerated' because of said atmosphere.

I would have thought though that they aren't a fan of the prices (of entry or a pint!) and at the Oval now on International match days you can't take any of your own alcohol, which makes it quite expensive to get tipsy!
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What? One beer aint enough? LOL
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Yeah in NZ all the beer is watered down to become 2%. Hardly strong enough...

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