Damien Martyn

Yeah these ratings on cricketworld are somewhat flawed actually. I have access to some more accurate (no offence to those who compilethe MVP for cricketworld) ratings that are kept private and they basically have the status of Test batsmen ratings as: (after the second Test between South Africa and the west Indies):

 1. Jaques Kallis
 2. Brian Lara
 3. Damien Martyn
 4. Virendher Sehwag
 5. Justin Langer
 6. Adam Gilchrist
 7. Rahul Dravid
 8. Hamish Marshall
 9. Ricky Ponting
10. Graeme Smith

I think those are somehwhat accurate and those are compiled by a ratings company that the ICC uses the service of but keeps the identity of hidden. They also have their own service provided by ProceWaterHouseCoopers (PwC which is their London Stock Exchange listing) which are usually fairly similar and in tandom with the ratings provided by ______________ ______.

I would agree that Damien has been in the form of his life but you do also have to understand that these things are incredibly difficult to compile and i myself have a formulatic equation of my own that i use to compile my own ratings and it is very complicated and perplex to understand and to be honest of all the ratings systems i think it may well be the most accurate of the lot. My system has already incidently already provided the latest ratings which have already accounted for the entire South Africa - West Indies series and funnily enough even though you may say that you can't prophesise what has already taken place in the series and can't include it and so on it is actually a much more accurate system on the whole.

Martyn is a great player, he's struggling against England because we seem to bowl well at him, and set the right field.

Damien Martyn is a great batsmen but he is out of form. Look at the way he played in the ashes. That is why he was dropped, a crap batsmen.
When he is out of form he is BAD BAD BAD and more BAD. Wait until he gets into form and then pick him again and then he will make four centuries in four innings.


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the thing with Australian selectors is once you're dropped its probably unlikely you're going to get back into the team. The careers of Jason Gillespie and Martyn are all but over - look at Michael Bevan for example who dominated domestic cricket last year (average close to or on 100 in the First Class game) and did not even get a look in.

Plus Martyn had some pretty dodgey decisions in the Ashes, a couple of times there were clear inside edges which the umpire failed to pick up and he was given out LBW. In terms of strokeplay, Martyn was probably the best Australian batsman to watch in this team, the most like Mark Waugh in terms of finesse. Its a shame to see him dropped

Despite Martyn being in the form of his life before the ashes, his
dropping after his ashes failure proves how harsh the Australians can be.

Martyn has always been a bit of a scape goat. When things aren't going well he is the first to be dropped.

there were clearly a lot more players than just martyn who were out of form and avoided the chop saadadvanced. the selectors needed someone to blame for the loss and thus took it out on martyn.

no one is asking you to fix the problem, i'm just pointing out that it was a slight injustice, and this is the general feeling in Australia regarding Martyn's sacking

Originally posted by saadadvanced7 ok, gilchrist was out of form but he's the best keeper in the world so they couldn't chop him. hayden was out of form but he has great averages and at the end managed a big ton so they couldn't chop him. gillispie was out of form and was already chopped. so the last one left to chop was martyn.

What about Katich? Clarke? Gilchrist the best keeper in the world. I really hope you meant the best keeper-batsman in the world, as fine player he is he is not the best gloveman around.

-JP-, i meant if they chop gilchrist who is good enough to replace gilchrist??

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Mate, if you look at Damien Martyn's history, there are a couple of other examples where he was dropped when he didn't deserve to be. In that wonderfully tight loss to South Africa when he was a youngster. He was made a scape goat. And recently, he was also. He had one bad series, as all players do. Unfortunately it coincided with others also having bad series' (what is the plural of series?!).

The Aussie selectors had to appear to be doing something, and off went Martyn. Expect to probably see him back fr the South African series, if the new comers, or Clarke continue to fail. Martyn has been scoring runs for Western Australia, he may well still return to the test arena.

i rekon martyn should stay in the team. he can be a good player at times

Yeah, it was against South Africa, where the Aussies were skittled for something like 129 (maybe wrong). Martyn, who was very young at that time, got out playing a horrible shot, I think he was the last man out, possible second last.

It is a bit harsh though, (I believe the Aussies lost by three runs) seeing as non of the experienced players did much better than him. To be dropped for 10 years must be a nightmare!

Originally posted by saadadvanced7 that's not fair. they dropped him for 10 years. they wasted 10 years of his life. that's harsh. he is a good player and might have deserved to be dropped after the ashes but he doesn't deserve to be dropped for 10 years.

that perfectly right why waste his life init

Damien Martyns career has been wasted. He is 34. He'll play for another 2 years...maybe. he hasn't been doing too bad lately.