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Topic: England in Bangladesh Posted: 11 March 2010 at 5:04am |
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Finn looks likely to start now that Onions has been declared unfit. That'll add a little spice to the match and some much needed agression to the English attack. I hope Jimmy Anderson's enjoying his rest as I suspect he'll be asked to do a lot of bowling in the summer.
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Posted: 11 March 2010 at 9:00am |
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Some suggestions this morning that England will go in with a 4 man attack of Broad (if fit), Bresnan, Swann and Tredwell, which smacks of showing a bit too much respect to their hosts.
All 4 of the likely bowlers named there can bat, so it won't massively weaken the team's chances to leave out a specialist batter to play the 5th bowler, which could always be welcome in Bangladeshi conditions.
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Posted: 15 March 2010 at 6:32am |
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Another hiding in the offing here , Bangladesh just aren't good enough. England made 599-6dec with big tons for Cook and Collingwood and a sparkling return to form for KP who fell on 99. In reply Bangladesh were dismissed for 296 with Swann the pick of the bowlers , taking 5-90. Finn impressed as well , fine line and length , a real prospect here. Batting 2nd time around (no follow on enforced) England made 209-7 , setting the home side the highly improbable total of 513 to win. Currently they're 59-2 with Swann and Finn taking a wicket apiece. You'd have to say this won't go much past lunch tomorrow , even though the pitch is holding up well.
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Posted: 15 March 2010 at 6:36am |
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Swann has really blossomed over the past twelve months - I would say he is the finest off spinner in present days cricket. A Swann-less English team may struggle in sub continent as others have largely looked toothless, with occasional exception of Broad.
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Posted: 15 March 2010 at 7:04am |
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Yes mate , Swann's been the pick of the attack for over a year and his batting isn't bad either!
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Posted: 15 March 2010 at 8:33am |
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where is Panesar? Is he no more in selectors mind?
Maybe cook should bow 15 - 20 overs to bring a twist in the game :-)
Its very one-sided.
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Posted: 15 March 2010 at 9:10am |
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Bangladesh needed their skipper, Shakib al-Hasan to fire. He failed with the bat in the first innings by playing a poor shot. Bangladesh actually look like making around to 350-400 if Shakib can contribute, the likes of Tamim and Rahim make their line up look decent... not to mention the gifted Mahmudullah who looks likes he'll become a bit of a Samaraweera (off spinner turned middle order bat). Bresnan is bowling well, surprisingly. I always felt that he was a decent player but a little too bits-and-pieces. The fact he can open the bowling then come on later and gets some reverse swing , in the 130-140kph region, is promising, albeit he is no Anderson. Against another team Bresnan might be lucky to get a test, considering Anderson isn't playing and England would be more confident with an out and out pacer like a Tredwall, Plunkett, etc. Pietersen is back in form, although I don't really think he was completely out of form... perhaps more out of luck and a bit unseasoned due to a long lay off. Another man though, Jon Trott will be sweating over his place, perhaps not for this series but for the upcoming summer. His position at the moment is comparable to Marcus North of Australia.
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Posted: 15 March 2010 at 9:22am |
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Good to have you back matey. yes Shakib has been the major disappointment in the middle order - but BD need to sort out their bowling too. their faster bowlers are toothless and so are most of their spinners.
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Posted: 15 March 2010 at 12:00pm |
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BD's batting is good but the bowling is the reason they struggle to win matches.
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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Posted: 16 March 2010 at 5:44am |
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This is brilliant from Mushfiq and Junaid. I very much like Mushfiq - he is such a fine batsman and a very good keeper too. A fine fine prospect. But England still have enough time to win this one.
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Posted: 16 March 2010 at 7:35am |
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Fine defiance from Siddique and Rahim , interspersed with some excellent shotmaking. History was always against them though , even when they made lunch without losing a wicket. Once Siddique went for a terrific 106 one suspected that the rest would cave in pretty quickly. Lovely 95 from the keeper , but I can't agree with zuhair , I though his keeping was diabolical ! Standing up to the spinners on a track that wasn't doing anything , he was poor and allowed so many to go through. Another brilliant effort from Graeme Swann , 10-217 , terrific! Lovely drift and flight , the lad just gets better and better. Still , encouraging for the home side , but wickets like that aren't good for the game. Put two decent batting sides on surfaces like this one and you can write down "draw" in the book before the first ball's been delivered!
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Posted: 16 March 2010 at 8:05am |
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Swann again - I think England should consider playing two spinners next time here. The third seamer is a waste on such tracks.
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Posted: 16 March 2010 at 3:20pm |
Sledger is right, from the first morning I watched, Rahim's keeping was very shabby to say the least to the spinners.
Bangladesh team is alright for scores around the range of 350. To survive with that, they need some quality fast bowlers and to be honest, Hossain doesn't have the pace to unsettle me. Rubel has some pace but he's short and slingy which makes the ball come a good pace for batsmen to carnage so he has to work on top accuracy along with hostility.
I don't think their spin attack is that bat, Shakib is very good. Madmudullah isn't that bad either, he can get the odd wicket here and there but bowls a lot of loose delivery, which reminds me of myself haha.
Lastly, I've always admired Swann bowling since I first saw him I think was in India against the Indians or a little while before that. He does it his way and gets success and echos what the great teachers of spin always say, you got to bowl at the speed that suits you. Panesar made a big error by trying to slow down his speed, what he misunderstood was that he needed to variate his speeds. Off spinners in general needs to bowl faster through the air seeing they can't get as much rev as a leggy bowling at 50 MPH and under.
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Posted: 16 March 2010 at 11:48pm |
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Swann's strength is his ability to spin the ball at a high tick, a bit like Bill O'Reilly with his leggies back around WWII. Being able to get revs on the ball, get some turn and do it above 85kph is a unique ability that not many offies can achieve. His weakness, however, is his tendency to bowl full, thus not taking advantage of actually having the ball spin of the wicket. When he gets his length right he's quite dangerous, particularly if he gives the ball some air on the odd occasion. Keep his attitude in check and he'll have a few more years in front of him for sure and the bloke can bat too. I'm quite certain Adil Rashid will have to wait around for a long, long time before he can get a proper shot... same with Monty Panesar.
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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 6:08am |
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Agreed Milks , both those tweakers are well back in the queue now and it'll take some sparkling performances or a drastic loss of form by Swann for them to replace him. The tests in England this summer will not see a change unless Swann gets injured and then that place could well go to Tredwell. Nothing special with the lad , he's a useful lower order batsman but an average offspinner. They'll take a second spinner to Australia later this year but he'll only be a drinks carrier.
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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 6:19am |
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Isn't now the best time to play Tredwell on these tracks? The third seamer is anyways useless here. If BD bowlers manage one good innings - it will be might difficult to get it done for the English bowlers - cant expect Swann to take 10-fer every time - but if England are to win - Swann has to repeat this peformance in the second test.
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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 6:29am |
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They'll look at the surface first and if it's typically dry , then Tredwell could well start. Who would miss out is quite interesting. Finn and Bresnan bowled steadily and well in spurts , whereas Broad was rather poor - the latter might find himself twiddling his thumbs , come matchday.
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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 6:46am |
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England should just play 5 bowlers. The BD attack is poor, even with 3 spinners on these dry wickets they are not competitive with the ball, particularly on the first 2 days. I wouldn't doubt a Broad or Swann making a decent score against such an attack.
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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 6:48am |
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I don't think they will drop Broad for the second spinner. It will be Finn as Bresnan chipped in with three good wickets in the second innings.
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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 11:12am |
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I can't see any way Broad would be dropped - rested however is a possibility given he isn't fully fit.
It is ridiculous though if they still won't just man up and play 5 bowlers, however tough a decision that gives them over which batsman to leave out.
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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 11:53am |
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England had no problems playing 5 bowlers against Australia and they won , twice at home in a row. Realistically they would win playing 3 bowlers with the inconsistency of BD, I wouldn't doubt that, but seriously just play 5 batsman, keeper and 5 bowlers. Most of the bowlers can bat. Bresnan, Broad, Swann are all rounders, without a doubt.
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Posted: 17 March 2010 at 12:08pm |
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Quite right folks, with the batting exploits of Swann, Bresnan and Broad, England can afford 5 bowlers. Swann actually does look more of a lower middle order batsman at times, he strikes the ball wonderfully and it surprises me that Broad bats ahead of him.
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Posted: 22 March 2010 at 7:42am |
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Bell's doing a Collingwood here. But have to say, umpiring has been horribly bad and unfortunately for the hosts, most of it has gone against them. BD seriously need to find two good fast bowlers to be able to take twenty wickets in a game - their batting is pretty ok and quite settled now.
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Posted: 23 March 2010 at 7:57am |
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Bell makes his first solo ton, i.e. the only centurymaker in the innings. Although Bresnan nearly got there with a career high 91. Good knocks by them both, but in reality they made those runs against the worst test attack in the world. Shakib has bowled a whopping 66 overs for his 4 wickets at a wonderful economy rate and is proving himself to be a world class performer, truly test quality I believe. Tamim has made another 50, but has fallen short and Bangladesh now have a lead with 1 day and 1 session left in the test. Who knows what could happen? If BD can score a quickfire 300 and give England just over 200 to chase in 2 sessions on the final day then it could mean that a contest is on. Surely, even a conservative England outfit won't settle for a draw against this side.
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Posted: 23 March 2010 at 9:44am |
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I would have liked to see England get a bit adventurous and declared 50 or even 100 runs behind. It would have thrown Bangladesh into unfamiliar territory and obliged them to go on and set England some sort of run chase.
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Posted: 23 March 2010 at 11:19am |
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I think a lead of 200 would be very handy for BD. With their spinners on day 5 it wont be easy to chase it down for England.
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Posted: 23 March 2010 at 6:07pm |
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At the rate they are likely to score at tomorrow, getting a lead of 200 will take them almost half the days play and probably kill off any chance of a positive result for either side.
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Posted: 24 March 2010 at 4:41am |
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This could well turn out into a thrilling finish. The home side have a lead of 166 with 3 wickets in hand and a whopping 74 overs left in the match. England's conservatism (and a 1-0 lead) might well mean that they'll make no effort to win if asked to get 230 in 60 overs or so - something I totally disagree with. Maybe the ICC should encourage attacking cricket by offering win bonuses , say $100,000 per test , to get sides off their backsides. Credit to the Bangladeshi's , they've played all the positive cricket with bat in hand and don't deserve to lose this one. Any chance of the English shuffling their batting line up and trying to win this one? .......I won't be holding my breath.
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Posted: 24 March 2010 at 5:51am |
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They do lead by almost 200 and not by the end of day's play - it is just lunch. Thrilling game this one could turn out to be. If Englnad take the last wicket early - they will still have 5o plus overs to chase 200 runs. Surely, a draw against the BD won't sound too good for the England team - they will have to shuffle the batting order a bit in order to press victory.
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Posted: 29 March 2010 at 7:01am |
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An easy win by 9 wickets - the home side didn't seem to have any fight left in them. Another fine knock from Cook , the captaincy doesn't appear to have bothered him at all. So a whitewash in both formats has to be looked on as "job done" by England. Nothing particularly brilliant in that , but very professional all the same. Bresnan did himself no harm at all and could well have booked passage for Australia later this year. Bell's detractors will have to admit that he looked the part in this series , although they'll be tougher times ahead - he definitely has the backing of the coach. As for Bangladesh , well there's some decent young batters , but their attack just isn't good enough to win test matches against any of the test sides. They'll give Zimbabwe a go (when they return) , but will still suffer some humiliating defeats by the top sides.
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