England in India (2011)

KP run out just at the wrong time today, India recovered extremely well though after being reduced to 123/4, ENG allowed things to slip away. However ENG are looking good at the moment at 93/2 after 18. Looks like we have a good game at our hands!

yup! we don't have a good game... a very easy win for India and their first ever win at this stadium!!! England have a lot to worry about, this is their problem, tackling spin, fair enough from India they are playing to their strengths and this is where Bell will be very important for England, he should be playing in this line up.

Trott at the top order in this ODI side will not continue to work - he really needs to kick on and stop playing for his average. He reminds me a bit of Kallis, except Kallis has now expanded his game a lot more.

The fact that England lost 6 wickets to spin, particularly against someone as medicore as Jadeja is a very worrying sign. England just aren't the same team in ODI cricket and I think a lot of it has to do with selection, rather than ability. Kieswetter, Trott, Dernbach and Pietersen are not helping the cause in my opinion (Yes, the 4 South Africans). Prior is the best choice to keep by a long margin..

And is Patel really the second best limited overs spinner in England? He's less fit than the offspring of Inzamam and Ranatunga, assuming two men could procreate together.

Edited by Mikey - 15 October 2011 at 3:55am

Originally posted by Mikey Trott at the top order in this ODI side will not continue to work - he really needs to kick on and stop playing for his average. He reminds me a bit of Kallis, except Kallis has now expanded his game a lot more. The fact that England lost 6 wickets to spin, particularly against someone as medicore as Jadeja is a very worrying sign. England just aren't the same team in ODI cricket and I think a lot of it has to do with selection, rather than ability. Kieswetter, Trott, Dernbach and Pietersen are not helping the cause in my opinion (Yes, the 4 South Africans). Prior is the best choice to keep by a long margin.. And is Patel really the second best limited overs spinner in England? He's less fit than the offspring of Inzamam and Ranatunga, assuming two men could procreate together.

I really dont like Kieswetter the side i would like to have is :

Cook
Bell
Trott
Pietersen
Bopara
Bairstow
Prior
Bresnan
Swann
Fin
Dernbach

Originally posted by spin wizard Play Trott is alright, he just should not be batting any lower than 3.  KP needs a dropping again, bring in Bell, he's far improved against spinners and has looked a lot more fluent than most batsman in the world lately. One things for sure, England's bowlers will be travelling a lot coming to the latter stages of these ODI games.

I think the best thing for Trott is to open and it was a silly move to drop Bell he will be back for sure and i dont see KP getting drop atleast for this series.

Cook hasn't been scoring slow lately to be honest mate, surprisingly, Cook's been outscoring others.

Also, Keiswetter is on thin ice.  I don't think Prior is the answer either, he's never done much in batting in ODI's.  He seems to enjoy the benefit of the attacking fields in Test Cricket and because he's an attacking player, his runs come thick and fast.  He won't be enjoying that kind of freedom in ODI's.


Edited by spin wizard - 15 October 2011 at 8:51pm

England's collapse was a replay of so many matches in the subcontinent. KP's run out was the result of lazy running - if he'd ran straight he'd have made it - just not professional ! 
           They need to turn up today or we could see another 5-0 hammering .

A couple kept low but it shouldn't be anywhere enough. England managed to get losing wickets at precisely the wrong moment down to a fine art in that innings.

England get murdered at Delhi, an 8 wicket win for India, well, 2-0 up, India look all set to win this series now. Very fine century by Kohli, as I've said before he is a future star!

Edited by sam_ahmed - 17 October 2011 at 4:58pm

And some were  saying England are favorites for this one - you are never favorites hen playing against India on thier soil. 

What a hammering and Cook's postmatch interview was filled with the usual cliched tosh.  If England had managed to do an India (see match 1) and recover to 280-odd they'd still have lost with 5 overs to go !  Patel batted decently , but his bowling is toothless and he's rubbing off on Swann.  It's time for change , they must give the leggy a go and bring in Woakes as well. Bell plays spin as well as any of the English (which isn't really saying much!) and must be close to a recall.  Bairstow could keep wicket , Bell open and Keiswetter take the drinks.........................and they'll still lose , but it might be closer  !

Zuhair and Mikey is correct.  First, you're never favourites when going to play in India.  Mikey is correct in that Australia has done really well there in ODI's for the last decade or so but hey, what do you expect when you have the likes of Symonds, Hayden, Bracken, Lee etc in your side.

Originally posted by Sledger It's time for change , they must give the leggy a go and bring in Woakes as well. Bell plays spin as well as any of the English (which isn't really saying much!) and must be close to a recall.  Bairstow could keep wicket , Bell open and Keiswetter take the drinks.........................and they'll still lose , but it might be closer  !

Bell is a must in this side and Kiewetter should be dropped he has already got too many chance i dont know what Flower has found in him that he is getting so many chance.

After Geraint Jones and Chris Read, England are lucky to have decent depth with keepers. Kieswetter however should be left to T20.

Originally posted by sam_ahmed although I think that this Indian team is very much beatable even at home (any team that has just lost 4-0; 4-0 surely isn't unbeatable no matter where they play), it may come as a surprise but the only team to have won against India in India in tests or ODI's during the last 2 years is South Africa. (2 ODI's and 1 test) No other team has beaten India in India since 2 years.

Yes SW correct but to be fair i really hate Kieswetter and i dont want to see him in the side. Sam soon that will change as India are struggling and if Zaheer does not get fit they wont be able to get 20 wickets which is a huge worry for them.