England in India (2011)

This young generation of Indians can field as good as anyone, far far improvement that what we were accustomed to some years back.  Pakistan seems to be the only team that doesn't want to improve their fielding.

I said the young generation of India.  The Raina, Kohli, and many other younger ones are very good in the field now.  Sourav Ganguly as well did mention this during the IPL - the younger ones are now prepared to dive around etc.  People like Munaf patel etc aren't that young.

I agree Mystery that it won't be as easy for India to keep winning even at home, but I have to say India's fielding has improved a great deal over the last few years.

Yep Woakes on his way home and has been replaced by Graham Onions. But Onions won't be available before the 4th one dayer , so it'll be interesting to see who makes up the attack.   If they're going to stand a chance they're going to have to play 100% better in all three disciplines and that still might not be good enough.

I would say India in control at the moment, Samit played really well and surprised me. Rahane is indeed very good and is playing a gem of an innings here.

He must be pretty good anyways - flat wickets or not his record is impressive

I like him , I said he's a gem Zuhair... but an average of 70 is probably a bit much.

England have snatched a few pegs here so it's game on. Kieswetter also got out to Kohli today Spin, bit of an indication to me he shouldn't be in the side. He's really not helping his cause, I must sound like a real hater but England actually have better keepers!

On Dernbach, he's always so bloody expensive! Again, England have MUCH better options when it comes to fast bowlers. Absolutely no doubt about that. I think Dernbach might struggle to get opportunities after this series.

England have the talent, I just think they're choosing the wrong combinations at the moment. You can't expect every single play to click, that's fair enough - but when there are better talents available elsewhere then they should be utilised to great effect. For instance, Bell is one of the most fluent and in form batsmen at the moment - he'd be an awesome inclusion into the England ODI side. How about giving Prior another shot at ODI cricket? He's a stroke maker who is tidy with the gloves. How about Sajid Mahmood or Ajmal Shehzad with the ball? Woakes when he's back from injury? Where's Tremlett? Is Anderson injured? Broad is a must when he's fit as well....

Edited by Mikey - 20 October 2011 at 5:13pm

ah! well, firstly congratulations to India on winning the series, that really was a good performance, a spirited one after losing so badly in England.

That was then Clobs, I think all of our point is that this is a different Ian Bell so worth the shot in ODI's now.  I do agree that before he never really helped England's cause much in ODI's.  He's a lot more fluent these days.  We both agree on Prior though, you summed him up perfectly.

Originally posted by spin wizard That was then Clobs, I think all of our point is that this is a different Ian Bell so worth the shot in ODI's now.  I do agree that before he never really helped England's cause much in ODI's.  He's a lot more fluent these days.  We both agree on Prior though, you summed him up perfectly.

I agree this is a different Bell he must play in the side and Good point Milky the biggest problem for Dernbach is that he always goes for runs wicket or no wicket and now when i look at Kiewetter he looks like Kamran Akmal to me really scary thing 

Kieswetter's keeping was shocking and his ineptitude then spread through the whole lot of them.  For the last few years England's fielding has been of a high standard after years of poor performances. Just why they've fell away again is mystifying , but I have to say that Alistair Cook's attempts at lifting the side is failing.   298 was a decent total , no more than that - without Patel's flourish at the end it would have been closer to 280. Trott hit just 1 boundary in the last 10 overs , which just isn't good enough. 
                  India looked confident from the off and Finn apart , no bowler looked like restricting their batsmen , still less , getting them out.  Dernbach overdoes the slower ball , the Indians have got used to them and deal with them without fuss.  It's a potent weapon , but when used as regularly as he does , it becomes innocuous.
               So back to the drawing board , Meaker should get a go along with Borthwick - they can't do any worse than the lads who've played in the first three matches.
                I've not checked , but I can't believe there is another country in world cricket that has a worse record than England's one day history in India.


Edited by Sledger - 21 October 2011 at 6:57am

Originally posted by Clobber I'm all for the "new improved Ian Bell", who in Tests over the last 18 months or so has been as good as anyone in Test cricket, but it simply has not had a knock-on effect in his ODI performances. In 2011 he has played 24 ODI's, so he has certainly been given a chance, but has only made 3 scores of 50+, averages just 27, and has a strike rate equivalent to Trott, who continues to get slaughtered for scoring slowly.

That's a fair assessment, and I wasn't aware that he didn't capitalise on his opportunities. Unless those games were very intermittent, then he doesn't quite deserve a shot.

I still feel that Trott plays for his average a bit too much, as much as he is an asset, he can also be a liability. England are lacking stroke makers and dashers. In tests they do well when the field is up, but once they hit 50 over cricket they can't seem to make very many big scores.

Bopara's form is critical, because he is one guy who can get the scoreboard ticking at a reasonable rate, alongside KP. There's no doubt however that Eoin Morgan's presence is sorely missed. He's that one innovative guy in the side who can manufacture a boundary.

Sledger is also right, Dernbach keeps bowling the slower ball to the point where it has become a stock ball. I can't see how it is variety if you bowl it all the time. He needs to go back to domestic cricket, I don't think he's the right man to play. Give Meaker a go or who ever else is in the squad. England have squandered the series and have little to lose from here on in.

Anderson is very good with the new ball in my opinion. Now with this new rule which gives the bowling side 2 new balls it could be an advantage for him, as the ball won't 'age' as much. Anderson, Broad and Morgan back will make this side look a lot better. No Dernbach and no Kieswetter will also improve England's chances. You could tell Cook was probably frustrated that he had to resort to Dernbach in the last 10 overs. He just looks out of his depth.

The disaster continues for ENG, 4-0 is just 25 runs away. Again no Bell, both Bopara and Baristow fail, they just can't play half decent spin of Jadeja, Bell is perhaps ENG's best player of spin and he didn't got a game the entire series.

Virat kohli is looking very impressive. He has performed very well for India.