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zuhair_abbasi
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Topic: England v Pakistan (in U.A.E) 2012 Posted: 17 January 2012 at 8:36am |
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He did not apparently bowl anything that looked new. And he does not need to be bowling anything different either. He is just fine with whatever he has.
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Mikey
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 10:36am |
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England really can't play spin to save their lives - even the Lions side was just cleaned up by Bangladesh A. Hafeez has a penchant for getting left handed openers out and he lived up to his reputation today by dismissing the dangerous Cook. Strauss also looks particularly out of depth against spin and I fear that this performance will entice England to continue with 7 batsmen + 2 lower order all rounders.
This is Pakistan's chance, their strength is their bowling, which is capable of taking 20 wickets and the advantage they have is that this wicket is not going to do much for the quicks. If the Pakistanis can form some partnerships and can handle Swann then they have a big chance of upsetting England here.
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kahmad
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 10:54am |
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Maybe Pakistan should bring another Spinner (Yasir Shah or Kaneria) for Gul or Cheema. Remember its just first day. What could happen on day 4 or day 5?
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mystery
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 11:56am |
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No Kahmad with Hafeez there 3 spinners are too much.
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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Mikey
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 12:13pm |
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5 LBWs and 1 bowled for Ajmal - shows how well England are playing him...
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kahmad
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 12:44pm |
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maybe they were all looking for his teesra:-)
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 1:20pm |
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Splendid performance - Pak trail by 150 with all wickets in tank. I am delighted. Superb stuff from Ajmal but the credit goes to others as well who bowled line and length and did not allow runs to flow freely form the other end.
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mystery
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 1:25pm |
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Teesra was nothing special did anyone saw it? - Zuhair
Edited by mystery - 17 January 2012 at 1:25pm
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 1:37pm |
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It was more of a slider that skidded through - but it was bowled with the similar action and could cause problems. But his doosra remains the most dangerous
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kahmad
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 1:47pm |
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I think it was a mind game and it payed off. Strauss looked to attack him from the start but couldnt. I think England will have tough time with the bat in this series. They needed a good start but have shown their weakness against spins that early. Pakistan should use it. England might get good score in one or two innings but mostly they will fail against that quality spin. Its up to the pakistani batsmen to win the series.
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spin wizard
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 3:35pm |
Oh my, watch a first session especially for pakistan. I take back what I've said about Ajmal only benefitting due to weak opposition. He really bowled well in the only session I saw and removed Bell with a beauty. KP absolutely played down the wrong line. The pakistani bowlers didn't give much away. Nonetheless, the England scorecard is not a surprise. I don't expect Anderson to have much success on this tour, Broad is gotta be the trump card with the ball, he can do the business anywhere I feel. A lot relies on Swann too. Pakistan comfortably in the drivers seat on day 1, but don't hold your breaths yet.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 4:32pm |
I'm right here Mystery and I'm delighted like all pakistan fans, super stuff, I was following on the internet at office and boy was I delighted to see ENG's wickets fall like nine pins, Saeed gets a 7 for on the first day of the series itself, absolutely brilliant performance and it's now up to the batsmen to bat well and don't allow ENG to get off the hook.
Good start by the openers so far, Pakistan just need to take this session by session and don't look too far, they have taken 10 out of the 20 wickets and have enough time to take the remaining 10, all they need to do now is bat well and this could be a 1-0 lead going in to Abu Dhabi.
Come on Pakistan, keep your cool and continue the good work!
Edited by sam_ahmed - 17 January 2012 at 4:32pm
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 4:46pm |
Just talking about ENG, they had their troubles in the past against Spin and on spin friendly tracks but this is a very very good side and will definitely come back hard, I think ENG missed a trick, they should have played Monty instead of a fast bowler (may be Tremlett), the reason being Monty has a good record against Pakistan, I remember he troubled Pakistan quite a bit when they toured ENG in 2006 and again we saw that in the warm up games.
The biggest challenge for English batsmen in this series is going to be Saeed Ajmal. That is pretty clear now.
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kahmad
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 9:30pm |
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the english media is crying already over Ajmals action. Basically its a good tactic from the ex players and media to help the team if they arent doing well on the field. There werent any questions when he was taking wickts last year but they are playing england now.
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BackwardPoint
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Posted: 17 January 2012 at 9:58pm |
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What's the point in complaining about Ajmal's action? It's not the cleanest action around but it's there and passed as legal so just get around to it and adapt. The focus should not be on Ajmal's action but ENG's continued incompetency against spin. I was probably too quick to jump the gun, ENG are worse at playing spin than I imagined. Lovely innings from Prior though, easily the best wk batsman in Tests, no contest.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 18 January 2012 at 5:45am |
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England may not be good against spin, but they have not faced high quality spin in a while now. Give them Harbhajan today and they will milk him everywhere
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Sledger
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Posted: 18 January 2012 at 6:01am |
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Ajmal bowled beautifully but was helped no end by some atrocious batting. It appeared that the top order's only scoring option against Ajmal was the sweep - which gave rise to 5 lbws! The old problem is so blatently obvious when watching the English play spin - they just won't leave their crease and that allows the bowler to keep peppering the perfect length and tying the batsmen in knots. Even Prior stayed put , but at least he played very late and watched the ball onto the bat. Swann biffed a few as he always does and if nothing else it should sink in to the heads of the top order that aggression can knock a bowler off his length. It's not over yet though , but England need a breakthrough quickly , pressurise the new batsman and field like demons. Two things struck me yesterday - the omission of Panesar looks an almighty blunder and secondly , why does Stuart Broad call on DRS practically every time he's lbw - even when smack in front ?
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 18 January 2012 at 6:05am |
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I agree on the Panesar thing - he should have played without a doubt. And he looked in reasonable form too. But England will have to do with the available resources as of now - they have the quality for sure and the character too. The only difference in this Pak side is that they have played most of their cricket in the UAE of late and they have grown in patience. There won't be collapses of yesteryear, be rest assured. The test appears stiff for the Englishmen.
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Mikey
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Posted: 18 January 2012 at 11:03am |
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I saw the teesra and I don't think it's a huge threat. You can pick it up quite easily, as he bowls it with a lower arm (round arm sort of action). It's all mind games, has Shane Warne written all over it.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 18 January 2012 at 11:11am |
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England bowlers have bowled with great discipline so far today. Pakistan are 20 ahead with 4 down. The lead it seems will not exceed 100 and Pakistan have to bat last. It is anybody's game yet. It promises to be a cracker of a test match
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kahmad
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Posted: 18 January 2012 at 11:20am |
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I think Pakistan have to play for time rather than score. Tomorrow will be the wicket at its best for Batting. Pakistan should try bat atleast till tea tomorrow. If they manage that, they can have a lead of 150+ and that will be very good.
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Mikey
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Posted: 18 January 2012 at 11:39am |
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If Pakistan can manage a 200 win then I won't bet on the English to make too many runs against the spinners, given that the conditions will progressively assist Ajmal. Just a matter of really grinding it and putting the runs on the board.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 18 January 2012 at 4:31pm |
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England should get rid of the tail within another 10-15 runs quickly on day 3 , bat big (use footwork and step out , that's enough ... which all of them have.) score something like 550-600 runs.
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Race to No 1 again ... started!
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 18 January 2012 at 5:21pm |
I'm not convinced about Pakistan's approach today, they started off well and then went into the defensive mode, the thing is, while Misbah does go for the safety first approach, in a place like the UAE where it won't rain (normally) and when you have cleaned up the opposition for just 192 runs inside a day, you will get a result in the test match, a draw is pretty much out of the scenario, so there is no point in a safety first approach, you should go for the kill.
I thought Pakistan played slowly, very slowly and lost wickets anyways, now with a lead of around 100, and may be they can take it to 120-125, is not a match winning lead, even a 400 by ENG in the 3rd innings, which ENG are very much capable of putting up will give Pakistan a stiff target of 280-300. Pakistan have failed to bat ENG out of this game, now they need to bowl ENG out for around 250 in their 2nd innings.
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mystery
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Posted: 18 January 2012 at 6:21pm |
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Yes Sam they missed about 30-40 runs by playing slowly but still a lead of 100 is alot they just need to get Cook and Trot early and England might again struggle against Ajmal.
Edited by mystery - 18 January 2012 at 6:21pm
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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BackwardPoint
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Posted: 19 January 2012 at 2:54am |
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As hopeless as ENG looked against Ajmal in the first innings, I reckon a degree of familiarity may blunt his effectiveness in the second innings. I think ENG will go on and win tbh, mostly because PAK seem to lack the killer punch. They are a disciplined and determined unit but today was their opportunity to bat ENG out of the game and they didn't do it.
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Sledger
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Posted: 19 January 2012 at 5:31am |
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England fought back well yesterday and restricted all the Pakistani batsmen. In the old days if the opposition put on a 100 for the first wicket the English heads would drop and defeat was a given - this side is resilient. They're not out of the woods though and the lead is significant - they must knock over the last three very quickly this morning. I'm not as confident as BP , but an England win isn't an outrageous call , but one I won't be betting on ! As Raj has said , the approach to the spinners has to be more positive - I'd rather see the boys getting stumped than lbw, sweeping !
Edited by Sledger - 19 January 2012 at 6:14am
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 19 January 2012 at 5:41am |
I don't think Pak were overly cautious. This approach served them well throughout 2011 and there is no need to change the way which is natural to most of the players in this line up. And it is not a fast scoring pitch by any means - England did not score any quicker either.
Credit should be given to English bowlers - who bowled with great discipline and belief. Pak did not collapse like yesteryear, which is heartening to see. Still anyone's game. I expect Pak to chase under 200 - anything over it and England are favorites.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 19 January 2012 at 5:45am |
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84
England should get rid of the tail within another 10-15 runs quickly on day 3 , bat big (use footwork and step out , that's enough ... which all of them have.) score something like 550-600 runs. |
It is England-Pakistan mate. India-England has long been over
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Sledger
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Posted: 19 January 2012 at 6:13am |
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Broad gets Umar Gul in the 1st over of the day - soft dismissal really but just what England need. 294-8 and a lead of 102.
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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