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spin wizard
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Topic: Foreign languagesPosted: 28 April 2011 at 2:30pm |
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My ambition to learn urdu has lead me ask, how much here knows more than one language quite well? The asians would be the most skilled at this as they have different languages.
How many languages do our fellow Asians on here know? Was it difficult to learn another language?
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 28 April 2011 at 2:54pm |
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I know Arabic, Persian and German other than my mother tongue Urdu. it was not much difficult to learn Arabic and Persian as i was taught that at a young age. German was a tough thing - and I am still learning that.
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Mikey
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Posted: 28 April 2011 at 4:18pm |
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I'm looking at learning Hebrew at the moment. I've always had an interest in Semitic languages. It's got a lot of similarities with Arabic and Aramaic, quite interesting. Both Hebrew and Arabic work on the concept of root words, unlike in English. Reading and writing Arabic however, is much, much more difficult than Hebrew. Hebrew there is just upper and lower case, and one does not connect the letters. Whereas in Arabic, the letters are different when isolated, at the start,in the middle or at the end of the word.
Zuhair would have a decent grasp on reading Persian, Urdu and Arabic as they are written with the same Arabic alphabet, but with slight differences with some letters to account for different sounds, etc. In saying that though, just because one can read English doesn't mean they can understand Italian. They are totally different languages. That's why, like for Zuhair, learning from a young age meant he picked up on the languages with minimal difficulty. |
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Posted: 28 April 2011 at 6:23pm |
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Zuhair, my oldest brother is currently learning German from some German tourist that he drives very often. They are regular visitors here and he has learned quite a bit from them over the last few months. Seems like there are more languages in Asia alone than the rest of the world.
Shab bakhair Zuhair.
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Mikey
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Posted: 28 April 2011 at 6:34pm |
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Khair means good in Arabic, is that where the word comes from in Urdu?
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 28 April 2011 at 7:21pm |
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well most Indians are good at various languages but not me :(, I know Urdu and that is the language I speak at home, I'm good at Hindi and English too. all these three languages I can read, write and speak. I can read Arabic and understand only a little bit, I can't speak, I can read and write Telugu, the language of my state, and can understand fairly well, quite amazingly I can't speak Telugu. I mean I can read, write and understand but can't speak, may sound funny but it is true!
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 6:47am |
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Yss Mikey - khair means good - and Urdu has adopted this word from Arabic only. I go to a proper German language learning center and it is a full 20 month course.
Subah Bakhair and marhaba
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 7:24am |
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Your English isn't bad either zuhair ! ![]() |
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 7:27am |
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I did French to "O" Level at school and know a little Afrikaans , but nowhere near as much as I should after 29 years in South Africa ! My excuse is that science's international language is English and I've always worked in institutions where English ruled the roost. A poor excuse really , but at heart I'm rather lazy and have many interests that don't tax me like learning a foreign language would!
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 7:31am |
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Is English widely spoken in South Africa or is it just afrikaan?
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 7:36am |
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English is spoken by practically everyone in SA mate , only some very small rural areas won't use it. Quite amazingly most black South Africans can speak all the languages of the country - 13 in all !
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 7:48am |
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Woosh - thirteen!!!! That's unlucky mate.
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Mikey
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 8:44am |
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From what I understood, English is virtually spoken by everyone in Africa, but only by about 10 or 15% as a first language. So that would make Sledger one of the minority who speaks English as a first language. South Africa is a very multilingual country, unlike Australia, quite normal for people to speak a few languages. That's the big shame about some of these Western nations. India is another country where people tend to speak quite a few languages as well!
Is it right Sledger that English is the language of instruction in most universities in SA? |
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 8:45am |
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Salam 3aleyk Zuhair!! Keef 7aluka?
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 8:51am |
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It's the language of instruction in all universities now Mikey and has been for quite some time. |
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 8:53am |
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I was under the impression there was still a few Afrikaans universities around! Do you feel limited in SA by not having a great grasp of Afrikaans, or is one able to do fine with just English? Always been curious. I live in Perth and we have... A LOT of South Africans. |
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 9:08am |
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 9:09am |
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Do you know any dialects Zuhair? I know mostly Lebanese and Egyptian, which are probably the most used in media. But Egyptian is quite different from MSA (fusha).
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 9:18am |
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We have the Syrian one as the most common used. I agree Egyptian is quite different
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 9:23am |
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Syrian is reasonably similar to Lebanese, but still distinct! Egyptian is written exactly the same, but the spoken Egyptian is almost like a different language, quite incredible really. But fact is, most Arabic speakers understand Egyptians almost 100%.
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 2:35pm |
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Is Salam hello Zuhair? What about Assalamo Alaikom?
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 2:43pm |
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I aint proficient enough at urdu, but from what I know yes both are different synonyms of hello.
My native tougue is malayalam which I can read, write and speak well. The other language that I can r\w and speak is Hindi, though being from the south not as fluent as you may think. i also can understand a bit of Tamil(mainly through watching their movies). |
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 3:56pm |
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Salam means 'peace' in Arabic Spin, and is used by Urdu speakers as many are Muslims and "Salam aleykom" (meaning Peace to you --- by the way aleykon is plural) is a Muslim greeting (although equally used by Christians and Jews in the Arabic speaking countries). In fact, Shalom, which means peace in Hebrew is the same word as Salam. The letter 'shin' in Hebrew is equivalent to 'seen' in Arabic, and hence the difference in pronunciation.
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 5:30pm |
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yup! Mikey is right, assalam alaikum means "peace be on you".
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 7:56pm |
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Lol, funny stuff here. So what is the word for if I want to say "hello" to someone or better yet, when i'm answering the phone and wants to say hello?
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Posted: 30 April 2011 at 12:58am |
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I have a degree in French although as I'm currently enjoying a weekend in France as my first time in the country for five years I'm a bit rusty.
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Posted: 30 April 2011 at 6:14am |
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Zuhair or Sam, how do you pronounce the "ai" for example in alAIkum, is it pronounced as "Lay E Koom" or just "Lay koom". Also in kAIsy, is it "Kay-e-say" or "key-say"?
Also, when "EI" comes together, is it pronounced as "A"? Like in the word "Mein", would that be "May"?
Think i've realised that "I" at the end of a word is prounced as "E" and also that words ending with "N", the N isn't pronounced. "U" is pronounced as "OO" and "E" as "A"
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 30 April 2011 at 6:43am |
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Confusion confusion Spinny - roman ain't the best way to decode Urdu. Different people use different spellings.
As for your first question - we pronounce LAI as one syllable - it si pronounced like when you see LEE - u just replace the middle E with A and that would be better. |
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Mikey
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Posted: 30 April 2011 at 11:05am |
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Does Urdu retain the 'ayn Zuhair?
In Arabic it is Salaam AaaaaaLAYYkom. You need someone to show you how to pronounce this 'ayn for you to know what I mean. |
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Posted: 30 April 2011 at 11:09am |
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Yes Urdu does retain the 'ayn' Mikey. I can't figure out a way of showing how do we pronounce it - you just have to listen to it to be able to pronounce
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