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sam_ahmed
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Topic: Group B DiscussionPosted: 03 March 2011 at 3:24am |
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never said about you Spinny! This WC has been boring only because of kenya and canada, 12 teams are just about fine. Ahmed has a fair point about "only cut throat competition" in the WC but then if that is the case then the ICC should ensure that these nations play a lot more against the test playing nations and the top 10 in rankings should make it to the WC
Problem is when they play a bi lateral series against a test side we say "why do we need such a series?" when they play in the WC we say "why do they play in the WC?" so when do they play and how do we test them against top nations??? Please answer. |
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vote4peace
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Posted: 03 March 2011 at 3:42am |
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Ooopps!!! Banana Skin. Aahhh we've got our first banana skin victims in this WC. Oh My did i just refer to the Irish as banana skin, not anymore, not with a player like Kevin O'Mighty' Brien. He smacked the leather of that ball.
Wonder if the Brits would want him to go the Eoin Morgan way.
What this loss has done is that its taken the sheen and good work of the previous run chase for Eng. Back to square one. I still do expect them to reach the QF's but a lot of work to be done. Damn those Irish. What've they done to this group. Opened it up really wide. Six teams in the hunt now. And they said the real tournament would begin from the QF's. |
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vote4peace
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Posted: 03 March 2011 at 3:50am |
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Well thats simple.. Apparently The ICC's thinking of making the one-day a league format after this WC. They need to make it a league of 12 teams atleast (possibly 14). In such a scenario even those matches would draw a lot of interst and be meaningful. A Win-Win scenario for all!! Im a Genious!!!
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Posted: 03 March 2011 at 6:17am |
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Just how can a team that caught brilliantly throughout a 5 test series turn into complete buffoons in the space of 6 weeks ? Taking nothing away froman inspired Ireland I found England's bowling and catching almost comical. That I wasn't laughing was because my blood pressure was so high my wife was on the verge of calling the funeral director! As pointed out by others here , England will probably still qualify for the knock out stages but they're making it mighty difficult. Three times they've played , three times they've scored a more than decent total only for the "attack" (and I use that term very loosely) to bowl without seemingly having any plan whatsoever. Swann was tidy , Broad rusty and Anderson nowhere. Yardy showed that the term "spinner" is not in his vocabulary and if he plays on Sunday will get pasted. Collingwood bowled alright , but not well and his batting was dreadful. It's time for a change and both Anderson and Collingwood have to go - Shazhad and Bopara must get a start and maybe , just maybe , they'll have a chance against SA.
To say I'm disappointed doesn't come close , anger is still overwhelming me , but my late father will be chuckling as all other Irishmen and women must be this morning. |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 03 March 2011 at 6:34am |
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Taking the early batting power play was the master stroke. I agree with Sledge, Collingwood needs to go. How bad they have missed Morgan down the order - Colligwood is no more th finisher it seems. I would still play Anderson and play Shehzad in place of Broad - who does not seem fit.
The group is wide open and the Eng-BD game gets ever so vital now. |
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kirankri
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Posted: 03 March 2011 at 7:53am |
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Hiding !!! Why should we hide Sam. One or two upsets doesn't make me think, we should allow more teams. Just tell me, do you think there is 0.01% chance of Ireland or Bangladesh winning the title? It is pretty simple for me. Some one who stand no chance of winning the title should not be in the most prestigious limied overs tournament. At the best they can eliminate some team at the early stages and make it easy for someone in the other group which also is not good for the tournament.
When you consider top 8, you can't say the same for them. The weakest currently (may be NZ or WI) also can win the tournament.
So, let there be only 8 teams playing the WC and take back the test status from Bangladesh. They are wasting others time.
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But does this not show that finishing the qualification period for the World Cup two years before doesn't give a true picture of the top 12/14/16 teams by the time the tournament comes around? While Canada and Kenya were performing well in 2009, I highly doubt that Afghanistan or Scotland - the teams that missed out - would be performing as badly this year. Look at the ICC WT20 - the qualifiers were held a couple of months before the tournament and Afghanistan and Ireland were far from embarrassed when they came up against the big boys. Edited by -JP- - 03 March 2011 at 9:41am |
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Broad apparently lost 10lbs from the food poisoning that kept him out of the previous game, so there is no earthly way he could have recovered anything like full fitness for the game yesterday, so it was a very curious selection.
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vote4peace
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Posted: 03 March 2011 at 10:18am |
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Going by that philosophy we probably could've just handed over the cup to the Aussies in 2003 and 2007. The FIFA WC would have only about 10 teams. I think thats a bit too harsh. Boy I'm i glad that the Irish were there at this WC, else we wouldn't have witnessed history being made. Its not just about being able to win the cup, Ireland, Holland and Zim have definitely added to this tournament for sure. Performances at a WC are easier to catch the eye of a non-interested person. Just imagine the number of people in Ireland who would have googled Cricket and Kevin 'O Brien after that win . I agree 14 is too much . On hindsight i would've 12 teams for this World Cup. |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 03 March 2011 at 4:49pm |
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exactly my point JP. Having the qualifiers 2 years pprior to the event is a joke, I wonder what the ICC comes up with in April, they may well have a Qualifying tournament for the WC to make up that 10 teams. Kiran, I simply do not agree with your argument, associate teams need exposure and they cannot get that playing all their life against each other, moreover the WC has only become more interesting by involving these teams. I agree 14 is a bit too many, 12 (with qualifiers in place) is just fine, but then the format needs to change, if you are having quaterfinals after involving just 6 teams per group then the league phase becomes very boring. Super Sixes would be the way to go with a proper "Carry forward" system; preferably carrying forward all points gained in the group stage (making every game meaningful) Edited by sam_ahmed - 03 March 2011 at 4:51pm |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 04 March 2011 at 10:10am |
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Bangladesh blown away for 58 runs. It's the best I've seen Benn bowl in my life. Flight and turn!
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 04 March 2011 at 11:17am |
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And this is also the worst I have seen BD bat - and that takes some doing
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vote4peace
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Posted: 04 March 2011 at 1:10pm |
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So much for all the expert opinions of Bangladesh being a force in this WC(yea even i got blinded and had become a believer). Once all the Hype and Hoopla settles you realize they still haven't come a long way since their elevation to the test status. You got to wonder if they still deserve that test status.
OK maybe a bit harsh, probably were undone by the pressure and high expectation of the home fans and some superb bowling led by the ever improving Roach and pleasantly surprising Benn. But in the end of the day they were just not good enough . They've cracked and cracked they've big time. The match got over before i could finish ma lunch for crying out loud. Gonna be really hard to lift themselves from such an awful performance. Need to show a lot of character to lift themselves before their next game Edited by vote4peace - 04 March 2011 at 1:11pm |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 04 March 2011 at 1:14pm |
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And the word is that the Bangladeshi fans are stoning the West Indies Bus. That's downright foolishness of the highest calibre, those fans have to be retarded. They should be stoning the Bangladesh Bus. When someone win you fair and square, they should be congratulated. No bad umpiring decision made Bangladesh get routed so badly!!!
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Posted: 04 March 2011 at 1:21pm |
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Oh My!!! And i thought the Indian fans were the worst at handling defeats. That is outright madness , really pathetic and lame excuse for being called a 'fan'.
Did they get the wrong bus ??
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Posted: 04 March 2011 at 1:25pm |
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I don't think i've really heard fans attacking the opposition players unless they thought they cheated or they did cheat. Clearly there was one team that was way better and didn't do anything wrong. This is insane! Already casting a far worse image on countries in that part of the world than has already been the perception of most people. Really ridiculous!
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Posted: 04 March 2011 at 1:35pm |
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Hope the players are safe!! Wonder what their families must be going through during such moments.
Shame on those idiots!! Such ludicrous acts by a few fools definitely tarnishes the image of the whole country. Shame on them. |
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Posted: 04 March 2011 at 1:53pm |
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Reports are that the players are safe and back at their hotel.
The team's media manager, Philip Spooner, confirmed that two windows cracked, but none shattered, and hence no stone made its way inside. "We left the ground, and on our way back to the hotel, a couple of stones did hit our window," Spooner said. "Two windows were cracked, but not shattered. We are now back at the hotel, both teams are back at the hotel and are safe." A Bangladesh police official said the fans had mistaken the West Indies bus for the Bangladesh bus. Now though that explains a lot... still totally childish and stupid. Peace.... Another serious question.. Where was the security??? Edited by vote4peace - 04 March 2011 at 1:56pm |
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Posted: 04 March 2011 at 2:08pm |
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That's what Gayle was wondering in his tweet, where were the security? Nonetheless, I don't buy into this story of thinking it was the Bangladesh bus. It's not hard to decipher West Indian players in a bus from Bangladeshis. If that's the case, then the Bangladeshi fans all need to get their eyes checked!
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Well i believe the windows are usually tinted. I could be wrong. I remember the only one time i saw a team bus entering a stadium it was tinted. That could've been the case.
Really find it hard to digest the agitators targeting the opposition camp despite no foul doings. Edited by vote4peace - 04 March 2011 at 2:18pm |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 04 March 2011 at 4:31pm |
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They must of thought of it as the bangladesh bus, absolutely no doubting that, still a pathetic act, pretty much similar to the act of the bangladeshi batsmen. but full credit to the westindies, they way they have lifted themselves after that first game deserves an applause.
BAN will find it very difficult now to progress to the QF's, they need to win all three remaining games or else win 2 and hope for some favorable results like ENG and IRE losing their games. WI although not safe have clearly made the path easier for themselves, still no team have ensured a QF berth so the group remains wide open, but WI should expect themselves to win another 2 games and go through or else win just one and hope for favorable results. |
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One thing that has worked for Windies against the Neds and Bangladesh is the sharp pace of Roach! Especially the Neds, they hardly ever get to face that kind of stuff. I expect him to do a bit against Ireland too! |
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Posted: 06 March 2011 at 8:16am |
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ENG are in serious trouble now getting bowled out for 172 against the spin of Tahir and Peterson, what a difference Imran Tahir has made to this south african side, absolutely amazing 11 wickets in 3 games, as expected he has lived up to the hype and has made a BIG impact.
ENG can still qualify even if they lose this but it'll make their games against BAN and WI virtual knock outs, They will be desperately hoping for NET to upset either IRE or BAN to give ENG some breathing space. NET's performance against BAN and IRE could well decide ENG's fate now. |
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WOW, amazing game. England just beat South Africa by 6 runs. Game went to and fro so many times and now Broad has just taken the last wicket to win it. Great watching. England back in the mix after losing to the Irish.
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Well played England. I'm glad I watched that even after the terrible batting. Engalnd will win this world cup from here.
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Posted: 06 March 2011 at 1:02pm |
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ENG win a thriller and that is well done to them, they create breathing space for themselves, but I certainly wouldn't go as far as saying they will win the WC from here, that is nothing more than optimism Hammond.
RSA would be disappointed but they are still very comfortably placed and I am sure that they would be happy to lose a game in the league phase rather than losing in the KO's as has happened in the past. In fact the more I watch this south african team, the more I feel that they will be the champions. Still my favorites for the title followed by Pakistan and India. |
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Posted: 06 March 2011 at 1:09pm |
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IND v IRE and a 5 wicket haul for yuvraj while the mains spinners continue to disappoint. 208 should be pretty easy for this mighty batting line up, George Dockrell will be a threat though, I think.
Good bowling today by Zaheer and he remains the key to India's success in my opinion, for IRE on the otherhand I think Ed Joyce has been a big disappointment, A man who was good enough to play for ENG once should certainly be leading from the front and do a lot better than what he is doing currently. |
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HoHo What a cracker of a game. We are having it all in this WC. High scoring tie, unbelievable chases big upsets and now this low scoring triller at chennai.
England's WC campaign back on track. SA have yet again lost another close game after being in the driver's seat for 70% of the match. Like it or not they gonna hear that dreaded C-word a lot again. Just what the doctor ordered for the English bowlres. The seamers particularly impressive with the old ball. Well Done!!! |
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England absolutely the team to watch if you want a thrilling game in this world cup!
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its high time India started using R Ashwin instead of Chawla who with his flight is just too expensive to be counted upon, he could bag a handful of wickets once in a while but looks like a bowler who would go for plenty most of the times which doesnt fit into this team.
if it wasnt Ashwin then India might try a third seamer in form of Nehra as Yuvraj and Yusuf might be handy and keep on the filling in the space of a spinner. personally my first choice will be Ashwin but three seamers might not be that bad considering all India need to have are bowlers who dont got for more then 5.5 RPO and for all the talk about spinners being the operative force on these pitches good seamers are still harder to smack around when compared to people like Chawla. i think inclusion of a containing bowler in whatever form (more likely Ashwin) will make a huge difference in Indian bowling which seemingly is becoming a huge loophole in Indian quest. |
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