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    Posted: 18 March 2011 at 4:59pm

So what are the WI chances of qualifying for the quater finals considering their defeat yesterday?

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both ENG and WI would want RSA to beat BAN tomorrow in what will be the most important game now with respect to the qualifying in Group B.

should RSA win then ENG and WI go through (unless the WI lose very very heavily to India).

should BAN win then they go through for sure and for the rest it all depends on IND v WI game, if IND beat WI then ENG are still going through and WI are eliminated should WI win they surely go through and IND also go through, meaning ENG are eliminated, unless WI beat IND very heavily in which case IND can still get eliminated.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote daisy77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 March 2011 at 2:29am
Thanks for explaining all that Sam
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Do or Die for Bangla boys, 285 to win very very difficult but all I'll say is... Go Tamim Go!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 March 2011 at 9:33am
very very disappointing for Bangla boys, very sad really nonetheless in all fairness you've got to say that with a second such rout of BAN they didn't really deserve to be in the QF's ahead of a team like ENG or WI who have played much much better cricket and it should be great fun watching them in the KO's.

As for the Bangla boys, this is certainly not the end of the world, they were never going to win the WC anyways, they are now a team that is looked upon with a lot more respect than in the past, so they've got to look at the positives and move on, they have an iportant series coming up against AUS at home and definitely much more cricket coming up in the future.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote daisy77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 March 2011 at 2:07am

South Africa really hammered Bang! Now that they are out of the WC I guess the quarter finalists are confirmed now. It was very disappointing that they did not even put up a good fight against SA though. Good game scheduled for tomorrow. India should win it though. Windies really are no good and they have a terrible captain. He is probably the worst captain that the WI has ever had!

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Haha, take it easy on Sammy Daisy.  As far as performance goes, certainly one of the worse but the team has been much more focused under Sammy than I have seen for the last 4 years or so.  The last time the Windies showed fight was in 2006 when they defeated India 4-1 at home in ODI's, went to Kuala Lumpur and did alright and then reach the CT finals.  Gayle was in blazing form that year.  The senior guys aren't pulling their weight yet the team is hanging on, that's the most pleasing thing.
 
I expect Gayle to hammer that India attack all over Chennai tomorrow!  Would be good to see how Roach performs against that deadly top order that India has.
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another prospective 300 marred by the crumbling and tumbling of wickets in a flurry during the late overs which is becoming a habit of team India now.
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first real bowling effort from team India that would procure their fans some assurance.

India looks much better of a bowling unit with Ashwin in the playing eleven,thats something which would also take some pressure off the Indian batting line up that feel pressurised to make a score of 350 evertime they reach 40 over mark and in the process end up falling 30 runs short of a score that looked easily in their grasp at one time,by losing wickets playing ambitious shots.
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Haha, take it easy on Sammy Daisy.  As far as performance goes, certainly one of the worse but the team has been much more focused under Sammy than I have seen for the last 4 years or so.  The last time the Windies showed fight was in 2006 when they defeated India 4-1 at home in ODI's, went to Kuala Lumpur and did alright and then reach the CT finals.  Gayle was in blazing form that year.  The senior guys aren't pulling their weight yet the team is hanging on, that's the most pleasing thing.
 
I expect Gayle to hammer that India attack all over Chennai tomorrow!  Would be good to see how Roach performs against that deadly top order that India has.
Well neither Gayle or Roach played so I guess you were disappointed. Sammy has made a lot of blunders as a captain. I wonder what goes through his mind when he makes certain decisions (like shuffling around the batting order and making bad choices about field settings). It's true that the windies doesn't have any great player who are consistent and outstanding but a lot of responsibility is placed on the captain and so far I think that Sammy has failed as captain. It would be interestin to see who the new windies captain will be though. Surely those selectors will have to choose someone else very soon.
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another prospective 300 marred by the crumbling and tumbling of wickets in a flurry during the late overs which is becoming a habit of team India now.
It didn't cost them though.
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Another disappointing performance by WI and again it's the batting that let them down. The bowlers did well to restrict India this morning and WI got a good start but after Smith got out everything just went downhill from there. Maybe this defeat is a blessing in disguise though because personally, I feel that WI has a much better chance against Pak than they do against Aus.

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So Eng are in- it was touch and go but they've shown that they never give up- a bit like Australia about 10-15 years ago when they were on the brink of greatness. Eng play Sri Lanka now in the QF that will be a cracker of a game. Hopefully ENG will remember that they are a class unit and actually play to their potential for a change- and remember that Swann is a better bowler now than Murali so if they play a spinners wicket then Swann & Treadwell could clean up! Go England!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2011 at 6:44am
Originally posted by jaysjay

first real bowling effort from team India that would procure their fans some assurance.

India looks much better of a bowling unit with Ashwin in the playing eleven,thats something which would also take some pressure off the Indian batting line up that feel pressurised to make a score of 350 evertime they reach 40 over mark and in the process end up falling 30 runs short of a score that looked easily in their grasp at one time,by losing wickets playing ambitious shots.



Couldn't  agree anymore. The Indian camp will be very much pleased and relieved to see their bowlers finally coming through. Yes it was against a WI sans Gayle, but still they would take a lot of confidence from this performnce. Ashwin has most definitely been a positive addition to the squad. His ability to bowl during the powerplays has helped Dhoni go in with just two seamers. Zaheer has been fantastic throughout the tournament and been the captain's 'goto' man. Has this magical knack of scalping a wicket or two and changing the game at the most crucial juncture of the game. But most pleasing is the fat that Bhajji has finally started to get some rhythm and that can spell danger. 
Probably I'm jumping the gun over here but as jaysjay had mentioned this last performance could more importantly be the assurance the batting line-up just needed. Hopefully will be the morale booster the team needed to go to that next level.
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For the Windies Rampaul's performance will be a sweet headache for the team think-tank. I think he's a must in the team and should be teaming up with Roach in the QF.  A word on Bishoo who i though was very impressive. Strange that he wasn't their initially in the scheme of things for the WI. Looks to be a bright prospect.

And wow that Bravo Six of ashwin very much la BCL. They need to get a lot more of the other batmen at the moment look over reliant on Gayle. WI very much become like the Indian team of old where once you get Sachin would mean the rest would follow.
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So Eng are in- it was touch and go but they've shown that they never give up- a bit like Australia about 10-15 years ago when they were on the brink of greatness. Eng play Sri Lanka now in the QF that will be a cracker of a game. Hopefully ENG will remember that they are a class unit and actually play to their potential for a change- and remember that Swann is a better bowler now than Murali so if they play a spinners wicket then Swann & Treadwell could clean up! Go England!


The difference being SL are much better players of spin than WI or the Eng.  Nonetheless should be acracker of a contest. This won too close to call though SL will be going in as favourites esp playing at home.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2011 at 5:43pm
India looked good in their last game but that win was always expected, I'm happy with the way Yuvraj has played in this WC though... have to say Raj's prediction as far as Yuvi was concerned was spot on, if only I had gone by that my fantasy team would have been in a much better position!!! :( instead I mostly went with Gauti and Zaheer, although they did OK, Yuvi was far better.

Ashwin was always going to be a much better option than Chawla and yes he can make the difference against AUS. India will have to be careful though, a "turner" could mean the Toss can play a crucial factor and in a KO game it is always good to play on a level field not leaving much to chance. I would want it to be a good batting wicket, it can backfire big time if they start to do silly things. (remember Calcutta in 1996 and BAN twice in this very WC)
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So Bangladesh are out - there can't be any complaints either , they were dire in two matches.   No comments here from the Windies fans about the final match - I said if it'd been England I'd have been praying for them to lose !  Think about it , win and play Sri Lanka in their own back yard or lose and play Pakistan on neutral territory - it's a no brainer isn't it ? 
            All the games look tight , but I expect SA and India to win with the others pretty tough to call. England will have to be right on their game to beat the Lankans in Columbo - I just hope the toss doesn't settle it.  Pakistan must start favourites against the Windies , but I won't be betting on the outcome !

               So finally we reach the sharp end of the tournament - Are Australia in decline ? Can Swann trouble the likes of Jayawardene and Sangakkara ? Will Gayle marmalise Gul at the top of the innings?  Will SA choke ?    We'll know by Saturday night !


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Sledge, Had west Indies won, they would have been playing against Australia on the neutral venue and not Sri Lanka in their back yard. West Indies would have finished second, had they won - to play Aussies who finished third in their group.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 March 2011 at 6:28am
Oh , I didn't realise they'd finish second mate!  I'd prefer Australia before Pakistan , so maybe they were trying!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 March 2011 at 9:37am
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India will have to be careful though, a "turner" could mean the Toss can play a crucial factor and in a KO game it is always good to play on a level field not leaving much to chance. I would want it to be a good batting wicket, it can backfire big time if they start to do silly things. (remember Calcutta in 1996 and BAN twice in this very WC)


On the contrary I think India's chances could get a lot better were they to play on , I wouldn't say turner but a slow paced wicket like the one we saw at Colombo when they played Pak. They've always done well on good batting wickets where the pitch has stayed true. They clearly seemed to dislike those pitches where one would've to graft it out, would rather prefer the usual Indian pitch where the ball would come on well.
 Indians on the other hand seem to be much better than the Aussies at playing the grafting role on those slow tracks ( their last game being a good illustration).
Remember again the Australian's have a good record in India ( their last series here went 4-2 in their favour ) where they mostly got good batting tracks. My proposal would be to prepare a slow track against them, read not a 'dustbowl'.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 March 2011 at 10:54am
May well be a dustbowl mate. India might play three spinners and that may or may not work. I clearly do not see any favorites in the tough battle that it is going to be. Something tells me it is Watson's time to score a ton.
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Unquestionably it will be a tough encounter. The Aussies know how to win the big games and will come down hard on India. They'll be at each others throat  throughout the match, as a matter of fact even before the 1st ball is bowled.  Neilson is already at it with the mind games.
 
India goes into the match as the bookies favourite. Do think ,despite their bowling woes, if they get the right pitch they could be threatening in that case 55-45 india.
 On a placid batting track they are going to suffer 50-50 chances then.


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Aussies need to strengthen their batting and should draft in either David Hussey or Ferguson in place of Smith - because when Ponting did not have faith in him to bowl against Pakistan - India is a class apart. Smith is a waste if he is not bowling.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote daisy77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 March 2011 at 1:33pm
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And wow that Bravo Six of ashwin very much la BCL. They need to get a lot more of the other batmen at the moment look over reliant on Gayle. WI very much become like the Indian team of old where once you get Sachin would mean the rest would follow.
I believe that Bravo models himself after Lara. Yeah I agree with the domino effect of the west indians' wickets (sadly). It's gona be a tough game against PAK but Pak are clearly the favourites for that match. They should beat the windies but you never know with Pakistan.
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Sledge, Had west Indies won, they would have been playing against Australia on the neutral venue and not Sri Lanka in their back yard. West Indies would have finished second, had they won - to play Aussies who finished third in their group.
Yeah so maybe it's a good thing that they lost because they stand a better chance against Pak than Aus
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The west Indies batting failed them in their last two matches so hopefully they take that into consideration and make some changes so the same thing would not happen against Pak God willing.
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Chanders has to play. His experience will count in such a crucial game. It will be a 50-50 thing - no clear favorites.
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Yeah his experience is important but he really has not had any form so far in this world cup and honestly PAK has been playing good cricket thus far in the competition so they do like the favourites for this quater final match
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