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    Posted: 23 February 2011 at 12:55am
The way England started the chase, surely they weren't going to lose except for a collapse.  Even when they were 200 and needed 90 odd off 75 odd deliveries, they still had loads of wickets in hand the pitch didn't possess any demons.  Still, it's pleasing to see a minnow score that much.
 
Genuine Muppet, I didn't see the beamers but if one of them was outside the line of the batsman, you don't get warned for that.  You get warned for those that the umpires think would have cause harm to the batsman had he not got out of the way or got his bat in the way.  So if either one of them was like that, then by the rules, the umps did the correct thing.
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All that game showed was that we are in for a boring world cup with billiard table decks. England chased that easily. Par was probably 330.
 
And regarding the "Dutch" my goodness they have a go at England for playing ex-pats?
 
Maybe all the associates should just make a picked test side with it's best players- God knows most of them weren't born or grew up in the "countries" they are playing for..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Amal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2011 at 4:59am
WOW!! Dutch scored 292. England chased really well, though their fielding was horrible. Doeschate was awesome with bat and ball. May be, England selectors catch him

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Originally posted by spin wizard

The way England started the chase, surely they weren't going to lose except for a collapse.  Even when they were 200 and needed 90 odd off 75 odd deliveries, they still had loads of wickets in hand the pitch didn't possess any demons.  Still, it's pleasing to see a minnow score that much.
 
Genuine Muppet, I didn't see the beamers but if one of them was outside the line of the batsman, you don't get warned for that.  You get warned for those that the umpires think would have cause harm to the batsman had he not got out of the way or got his bat in the way.  So if either one of them was like that, then by the rules, the umps did the correct thing.
Yeah with the beamers, one did tail down legside. It started on middle, but did tail away and the batsmen got out of the way. So thanks, that makes more sense in the decision.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Clobber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2011 at 2:26pm
shortly after seeing one of those Graham Gooch / Shane Warne tv adverts I believe :)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2011 at 6:17am
A very solid performance by the South Africans and great to see all those spinners in the side!   Tahir did terrifically well and has given them another attacking option with the ball. The batting might get exposed by a better attack than that they faced yesterday - Botha at 7 looks way too high and if the top order misfire they could get bundled out for less than 200. Still , kudos to the selectors for changing that staid approach of yesteryear - they have the attack to take down any side in this competition , including India.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2011 at 6:29am
Wonderful - have waited so long to watch Tahir bowl and he did not disappoint. Would not call that a great spell, but it was pretty attacking and it got him wickets. Maybe on drier pitches he can get the ball to turn more but I like what I see and he should definitely be playing tests ahead of Harris.
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SA always get ranked among top teams but seeing the world cup records they fail to create their charm in WC,they never made 2 WC final as far as i know...still hope they manage 2 reach semi final in this WC..  Wink

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South Africa would have to be favourites for the cup now surely. Very complete side, with a lot of competition within the side to be in the starting 11.
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Zuhair, that pitch yesterday was conducive to spin.  You want to know why?  If Sulieman Benn can beat the bat with the new ball with turn, then that alone tells you.
 
 
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ordinary stuff by the windies and I'm sorry to say but this team doesn't look like doing anything significant in this tournament, BAN would seriously fancy getting in the QF's ahead of them, ENG also look better than them at the moment.
 
WI will almost entirely rely on Gayle, Sarwan and Darren they do not have any other impact player and I'm saying this because Dwayne Bravo is also out injured and Chanders is no longer the same force. I wanted to see a lot more fight from the WI< unfortunately it appears it is not to be.
 
I hope they prove me wrong, I'd love to see them play cricket the westindian way!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2011 at 7:14pm
Bangladesh against Ireland was the game of the tournament so far, terrific stuff by the banglas and the best part was tamim going mad early on in the innings.
 
This win should get rid of any nerves now and i expect Bangla to be even more dangerous from now on...
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West Indies did mess up the game in 2 phases.  In the middle and during the end.  De Villers batted with sublime touch, he's extremely classy!
 
And guys, watch Darren Bravo.  Many bowlers world wide will be in for a licking from this player, he's full of class.  Balance and has all the time in the world to play his shots - that's the trademark of great players.  Watching him time Steyn through the leg side then scorch a cover drive off him was brilliant to watch.  That 73 was full of class.  Just wish he was as good as Lara against spin though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2011 at 10:36am
Man big blow for the windies that dwanye bravo injury. massive player for them, got to agree that their chance of qualifying has reduce hugely. will have to see the best of gayle and pollard to see them through (and i for one would love to see that).
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Saw the best match of the tournament yesterday in the BAN/IRD game. Hats off to ireland for putting their hands up unlike the other associates (barring holland). Probably just what the bangla boys needed to get their ride going. Ireland have definitely made a statement here. ICC better give them more games with the big boys after the WC.
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Big one tomorrow, India v England, very big game for ENG as well a victory here and they can breathe easy in a group where anything can happen esp with BAN winning over Ireland and Ireland showing good fight so they can upset other teams as well.

For India it is again a chance to prove their dominance and send out a loud message that they are THE team to beat.
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What a match! Great show from both sides and a fair result in the end. Happy with the point.

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Woohoo!!! The heat is finally on. The last 3days is just what the WC needed to get the wheels rolling after a string of one-sided games. 1st BAN/IRD then the SL/PAK and now this .

Coming to the game both teams are gonna take positives and negatives from the game. Fair result some might say, but for me england deserved to win a tad more. Chasing a total of 339 under light with the crowd( not just any crowd) against you, hats off to england and straussy.

Once again the indian bowling failed to impress and will have many Q's to answer before the next game. Cant back on your batsmen to score close to 350 every game. Hopefully they getting all the bad performances out of the way and pick up when it matters th most.

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Ya its a thriller...like Indian team used to play such thrillers..in SA we won a match by 1 run..Fielding from Indian side is bit poor as ever..hope we improve it in next few games..Wink
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Yes fielding was also an imp factor determining the outcome of the game. Both teams were found wanting on the field, a superior fielding unit would have won the game for either of the team . Never been one of india's strengths. Thats why i believe SA one of the best teams(Mental strength the only box yet to be ticked). Eng usually a better fieldng unit.

One thing about this indian team is they some how step up a notch once the pressure factor kicks in. they have done so well off late in pressure cooker situations and have begun to develop this uncanny knack of looking like a better bowling unit once the game gets tight.
They seem to letting their guard down when things are working for them( not the mark off a champion side)
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The match should not have gone this far for both the teams. That it did shows one team panicked and other just do not have the bowlers. I have said it before - it is the Indian batting that is very very strong not the entire team and if they continue playing such weird combination of four front line bowlers. With such a strong batting line they will have to play five bowlers, or else they will struggle at some stage in the tournament because their batsmen will surely have one bad day.

England should have won this one given the start and the innings that Struass played - The curse of the batting power play haunted them bad which cost them a point. What is Luke Wright's role in the team is my question to all the England supporters.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2011 at 6:21am
What a game , superb knocks by Tendulkar and Strauss . Both were ruthless on anything slightly short or wide - their placement was splendid.  India have had a scare and must address the problem of the fifth bowler. Zuhair is dead right , at some point the batting will have an off day and they'll lose and that could happen in the knock out stages.  Better to see the problem early on and take steps to amend it.
                 Jimmy Anderson looks jaded and I think the selectors wish they'd taken Tremlett now , the Aussies and Shoaib have demonstrated how effective quicks can be , even on slow decks.   To have any chance of winning this thing England will have to bowl sides out or restrict them to 260-ish scores - they won't chase 300+ scores very often.
                  Still , fine match and one that India are grateful they didn't lose - 1point apiece is a good result for South Africa !
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Around 680 runs, 18 wickets, lot of tense moments, a tie blah blah blah...End of the day both the teams would not be pleased with their performances. They have to lift their game quickly. Else they may not go beyond QFs.

First, after getting such a solid start, India should have posted 360+ runs if the middle and the lower middle order had played decently. That is something India should work on, but a problem which could be resolved with some sensible thinking.

Then started the major problem - The attitude while bowling and fielding. More than the skills in bowling, it was the attiude which was worrying. They bowled and fielded like, we have scored 340 - so however we bowl we will win. If they continue this attitude, it is going to hurt them badly. With additional batting powerplay, and the introduction of new ball after 34 overs, 300+ scores are chaseable. They have to get it into their heads. Field placements and bowling changes were poor too. Strauss and Bell were taking singles and a boundary per over at will for most part of the game. With respect to the changes in the team, once Nehra comes back in the QF stages, I am sure he would replace Chawla which would be a right move.

Coming to England, they had a tough ask at the begining of the chase, but they managed to reach a commanding position by the 40th over or so. They had around 70 runs to score in around 60 balls with 8 wickets in hand. Nasser was shouting the commentary box.."Don't take the power play. Indians are confused and they don't know what to do" He was absolutely right. Once the attacking field was set, they were awful. Not sure whether it was a panic or the lower order is not good....But from that position, on an excellent batting pitch, with a bowling attack as bad as Indian attack, it should have been a walk in the park. Still they went to an almost losing position from then. Thanks to the 3 sixers in the last two overs which ensured that, they didn't lose the game. w.r.t the changes, once Broad is back, they should replace Anderson. Not sure whether Anderson is suited for subcontinent conditions unless it swings. I feel it is better to replace Collingwood as well. Brensan and Yardy were excellent under pressure.

The last run of Zaheer Khan was one short :-) What would have happend if he completed the run? Either of the team would have won instead of a tie probably because, the england no.10 would have tried to hit rather than just sneaking a single if 3 runs were required of the last ball.

Finally, something other than cricket. When will the Indian crowd learn to be silent. There were two probable thin edges from Strauss which even keeper and bowler couldn't hear due to the noise.

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What is Luke Wright's role in the team is my question to all the England supporters.


 He's out of favour at the moment mate , but that might change soon!   Anderson looks shot and he'll probably be replaced by Broad for the Ireland match.  Wright's biffing can be very effective down the order but on these pitches his bowling might get the treatment.  He's a fine teamman and a great outfielder he just might get a run out if they come across a pitch with some pace in it and it'll be Yardy who'll miss out.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2011 at 6:36am
I'm with you Kiran concerning Collingwood - he looked terrible and that heave that bowled him was the worst shot of the day. No doubt in my mind , of the top teams we've got the poorest number 5 !
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But Who would take Collingwood's place. He's an experienced player, and should eventually find his footing as the tournament goes on. I would prefer Colling any day to a Bopara during a pressure situation, no substitute for experience.
Also a useful bowler with his variations, not gonna have the same fate(or face sublime Sachin) in every match.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2011 at 7:22am
They were silent for most part of the innings when Strauss and Bell were playing. Having the DRS and not having the snicko and hot spot sucks.
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Agreed. Even if they had referred, the third umpire didn' have any evidence to give it out. You can't see the deviation for thin edges.
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Originally posted by flipper

<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" =Msonormal>What a match! Great show from both sides and a fair result in the end                                               Happy with the point.

One of the best match in Cricket World Cup 2011                   

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