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zuhair_abbasi 
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Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6202 |
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 Topic: Group B DiscussionPosted: 22 March 2011 at 1:49pm |
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Form hardly ever matters with Pakistan - this is the way they have always played the game. It will be a tough contest - last time Pakistan met Windies in a world cup game - they were comprehensively beaten by a weak team. Gayle's stay at the wicket could decide the fate of the match.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 5:30pm |
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Absolutely, Gayle remains the key and I would agree that form will not count for much in case of Pakistan, that is how they have always been. Not 50-50 but i'll put 60-40 in favor of Pakistan because overall PAK have a better team.
It is a very big game, and I'll surely be nervous about it, rumors are that Ajmal may play while Shoaib will continue to sit out. Regarding Ind-Aus, Good point by V4P, a slow wicket would help, if they can prepare one in a short span of time without doing anything silly, then well and good, otherwise I would not mind a good surface, yes AUS are good on flat wickets but even then IND will have the advantage with such a power packed Batting line up and people like Zaheer who can reverse. by the way this is not Group B discussion, we should discuss all this in the "Finals" thread.! |
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God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you!
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spin wizard
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The world’s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Posts: 9453 |
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Posted: 22 March 2011 at 10:53pm |
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Pakistan bowlers look out for Gayle, he was in a rampant mood against England I don't think he'll play any different tomorrow. In the shorter format of the game, there is hardly any who is more destructive than Gayle (Sehwag is no match to Gayle in the shorter format when it comes to being destructive). Umar Gul will have to watch those length balls, they could be sailing way into the stands. |
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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kahmad
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Posted: 23 March 2011 at 8:45am |
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You are right there is no match to Gayle to be destructive Batsman, but there is also no match to Umar Gul to get out such batsmen. Gul is in form of his life.
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daisy77
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Lara Fan Joined: 05 December 2005 Location: Trinidad and Tobago Posts: 2488 |
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Posted: 23 March 2011 at 3:45pm |
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What a game!! Actually it was like a no competition at all! Pak blew the WI clear out of the WC. Very good bowling performance by Afridi and his men. The west Indian batsman could not handle the spin bowling at all. I think the only two batsmen that were able to play the spin were Chanderpaul and Sarwan. everyone else were troubled.
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daisy77
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Posted: 23 March 2011 at 3:50pm |
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so now that WI are out....I guess the team Ill have to support is Eng...Hope they dont disappoint like WI though
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spin wizard
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Posted: 24 March 2011 at 3:21am |
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I'm all for the Indian's now Daisy, those Indian batsmen are too attractive not to like!
Pity with Gayle though, stroked 3 good shots but picked out the fielder with one! Would have been different had it been a pitch like Barbados!
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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Sledger
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Posted: 24 March 2011 at 5:22am |
That's his problem SW , it's about playing the conditions and your lads don't do that very well! How often is Gayle undone by great bowling ? The truth is , not very often , he gets himself out. |
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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daisy77
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Posted: 24 March 2011 at 1:09pm |
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daisy77
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Posted: 24 March 2011 at 1:14pm |
I completely agree with you Sledger. They really did not playing well under those conditions in their last match against Pak. To me, all of the west indians excluding sarwan and chanderpaul could not handle the spin bowling. Those spin bowlers had the west indian batsmen looking very uneasy, uncomfortable and out of sorts. I agree with what you said about Gayle too. With him, it's either he makes a big score or he goes cheaply. What is the point of a 3 or 4 fours and then getting out? That does not do much damage unless it's coming down to the end of the innings and it's a tight run chase but that's never the case because Gayle is an opening batsman. It seems he's more of a slogger than anything else although I'm not disputing the fact that he plays some his shots wiht style. At the end of the day, having a batsman that you could depend on is more important than a quick flurry of runs and the west indies definitely does not have that in Gayle
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spin wizard
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Posted: 24 March 2011 at 7:16pm |
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You always need a batsman like Gayle in your side Daisy. Sledger though summed him up pretty nicely. The only thing that troubles Gayle is swing and seam movement because of his concrete feet. When that is out, bowling doesn't trouble Gayle. I've seen Harmison in his pomp to Gayle and Gayle still battered some pull shots with ferocious power yet got carried away and was going after pitched up ones and got his stumps rooted. Saw him start to carnage Lee in Barbados one time, then he drilled a bullet to mid off, similar like how he was out against Pakistan. Gayle plays spin quite well and the fastest of bowlers isn't much of a bother to him either.
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Sledger
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 5:48am |
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I often think that Gayle's temperament is the problem. There's been plenty written about his laid back persona - the archetypal West Indian , but could it be that cricket just isn't that important to him ? Whether he gets a big hundred or a big zero he leaves the field at that snail's pace - maybe he just doesn't value his wicket enough.
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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vote4peace
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 10:13am |
I remember very similar comments being made of Sehwag not too long ago. And then Gary came along. Maybe that is what Gayle needs the right mentor to get his mind back, Clear and Free... |
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I distrust a camel.. and anyone else who can go a week without a drink.
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daisy77
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 12:42pm |
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Yeah maybe he has his priorities out of order. You can't compare Sehwag to Gayle though. He still delivers most of time and is more consistent than Gayle. |
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vote4peace
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 1:02pm |
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That's my point Sehwag was never so consistent until 3 years ago. Really seemed to be completely at sea under Greg Chappell's( Was never fond of Sehwag) term. Then Gary happened for India & Sehwag totally reformed as a player.
Another thing that probably works for Sehwag is he knows there's enough talent in the batting line-up to make-up in case he fails. Helps free one's mind . |
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I distrust a camel.. and anyone else who can go a week without a drink.
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daisy77
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 2:16pm |
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Well you would know better than me. I dont really follow Indian cricket like how you would. At least he has changed now....
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spin wizard
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Posted: 25 March 2011 at 5:06pm |
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Sledger, it's the trait of Jamaicans, they are absolutely quite laid back so sometimes, by knowing that, I really don't get on Gayle's case because that. There is usually a saying when you ask a Jamaican to do something and they reply "soon come". That soon come actually takes a very long time. Gayle isn't emotional really so its hard to know whether he cares or not but if you noticed closely when he was out to Gul, he was a quite disappointed with himself, the facial expression changed and he knew he messed up big time.
Don't know if you guys ever paid attention to Marlon Samuels too but he's another that is very "cool". They are very relaxed personality most of the time and can't read much from them, they are poker faces. Vote4peace, Sehwag has got some nasty natural talent, he mightn't be the best batsman the game has seen but his hand eye co-ordination has got to be up there with the very best and that's what has gotten him all that success. He was already getting back into touch before Gary came around by the way. He was a good player before, got dropped because he was outta nick (in ODI's anyway, he still was good in Tests) but came back a far better player.
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