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inzamam329 
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 Topic: How would you improve the english county cricket?Posted: 22 December 2006 at 11:20pm |
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County cricket is considered to being average in standard, devoid of any crowds and has some run of the mill players happy to be earning a nice salary with no desire to go beyond county cricket. I feel it needs improvements and better marketing. I would suggest:
3 overseas players and 1 Kolpak player
cutting down the number of counties by having district teams instead, i.e west mids.
Cutting down on number of first class matches like the auss system, where more time is spent on fitness, strategy and planning and recuparation.
What do you guys think?
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robbie
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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 10:16am |
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wat is a kolpak player
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prasmp
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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 10:20am |
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no improvement english cricket for next 2 years.no improvement for county cricket
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slogger72N/O
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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 1:20pm |
Why would you suggest more overseas, surely thats just pushing out up and coming young players, for people who aren't even english, and also what is a kolpak player
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minimurali
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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 2:17pm |
Someone who isn't English, but cannot be selected for their international country - so they are not counted as overseas.
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minimurali
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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 2:18pm |
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I agree with Slogger, perhaps no overseas at all? We need to be developing more English youth talent, not promoting big hitting Aussies and the like.
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slogger72N/O
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Posted: 24 December 2006 at 10:27am |
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I like the restructuring idea, i also think there needs to be more cricket at times when people can watch it like on weekends, PRO40 was good as well, that nedds to replace one day cricket, I think anyway
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fishcake14
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Posted: 24 December 2006 at 10:31am |
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I would have a couple of guys. Look at it this way:
If a club has Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath, this is going to draw more publicity to the game. The publicity will be seen by kids off the TV and they'll go out to try and be like them, thus getting more people involved.
However, if a club has Jimmy Jones and Joe Bloggs, how many people are going to be interested? None!
The overseas players have to stay. They could decrease so that there was only one, but they're still there to pass on info to the youngsters.
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slogger72N/O
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Posted: 24 December 2006 at 10:37am |
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I still don't think overseas are necessary (and no I'm not a yorkshireman), no-one goes to the games regardless of whos playing, I'm not so opposed to one though, I suppose. I think cricket has to somehow become cooler and get more people over here away from football, no idea how to do that though.
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fishcake14
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Posted: 24 December 2006 at 10:40am |
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I think that's what 20/20 is for, it's always packed!! (with kids!)
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slogger72N/O
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Posted: 24 December 2006 at 10:51am |
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Yeah, but county cricket needs more people coming to 4 dayers. Also interest in T20 is waning a bit, each time I go up to the oval to watch Surrey there are fewer people
Edited by slogger72N/O - 05 January 2007 at 5:02pm |
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fishcake14
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Posted: 24 December 2006 at 11:22am |
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What they did in NZ was quite clever. It was something like the first 500 kids got in: FREE and received a cricket 'goody bag.' Unfortunatelt the place was still empty. People are probably reluctant to go to matches as you pay your money, get 5 mins of cricket before it rains for 6 hours! |
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slogger72N/O
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Posted: 24 December 2006 at 1:19pm |
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yeah that is a bit of a problem, oh and on that NZ thing, how was it clever if no-one turned up????
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fishcake14
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Posted: 24 December 2006 at 5:55pm |
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Well, it seemed a clever idea, but come to think of it...
 At least they were trying!
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slogger72N/O
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Posted: 26 December 2006 at 9:33am |
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Unfortunately for them, they don't get thousands of pounds of revenue for trying, they get nothing
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inzamam329
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Posted: 26 December 2006 at 11:49am |
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without overseas you will not attract big crowds, also if a young english player is good enough he will get into the team no matter what, it will sperate the good from the average and also give them a chance to elarn of great players, such wasim had some influence on freddy when he was young.
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TCA123
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Posted: 26 December 2006 at 10:23pm |
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I think the current overseas limit is good. Players like Warne can help kids come through the ranks. Allowing overseas players means that we can have their input into our english talent.
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slogger72N/O
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Posted: 27 December 2006 at 3:58pm |
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Well I agree that there input is good, but 3 players is over the top, it just stops young talent coming into the system, because there are 3 big internationals already there. 1 player though can teach english cricketers a lot and boost numbers
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fishcake14
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Posted: 27 December 2006 at 6:58pm |
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That' ll be the day when English cricketers are going over to teach Aussies!
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Posted: 28 December 2006 at 11:35pm |
i understand why you would think this but this will ruin the career of many players who do want to become test players also. Personally I think that in a standard week there should be one 4 day match and 1 one day match. I think they should be allowed 2 overseas players and 1 kolpak player, I think they should improve the quality by making them play a lo of matches and only of their 2 days off, one day they do team fitness and the other they go to nets. I think if they play a lot of cricket they will inevitably get better. |
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Freddie
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 12:24pm |
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OK, here are my opinions on what should happen to the English county system:
Overseas Players: Overseas players are being cut down to 1 per county in 2008, in my opinion a county should be able to have 2 overseas players in two categories, one in an under 25 section and one in an over 25 section. But the overseas players cannot be going off on international duty every 5 minutes. What several counties do is sign someone like Ponting or Tendulkar for a month, only about 5 matches and then they go, that shouldn't be allowed, they should have somebody who will be available pretty much the whole season to be an overseas player. Also on the Kolpak issue, one per side again.
Number of Counties: Keep them the same, otherwise if teams just changed to districts (i.e. 3 counties to a district) you'd end up having around 60 players in your squad, far too many for anyone to choose from and it would deprive many very talented players of matches, maybe you could cut the number of 1st class counties down to 15 or 16 but nothing more than that.
Number of Matches: I agree in that they should cut down the number of 1st class matches. Currently a county class 16 4-day matches every season, playing each county in their division twice. Personally, for preparations for internatonal level in future years, they should cut down the number of 1st class matches to 12 matches, playing each team once in a 4-day game and then playing 4 teams again, but as 5-day games, this would cut down the number of County Championship days down from 64 to 52 days, immediately then you have found yourself 12 more days for practising and resting.
Pro40: Cut Pro40, and make it Pro50. The Australian state system one-day league is 50-overs a side, make it the same over here. One of the reasons for Pro40 was to make the games more interesting, but in my opinion that doesn't give young players much preparation for international level. Put the number of games back to how it was, play each team twice, once home and once away and make all the games 50 overs a side. Also cut the play-off, in my opinion that's unfair because Glamorgan worked hard to stay up but then lost out in the play-off and were relegated. Just make it bottom two teams relegated.
ECB Trophy: Formerly the C&G Trophy, they ruined this last year by making it into a league and only having the final as the only knockout one-day match. I think this should be put back to a knock-out competition, 50-overs each. The draw should be determined by the one-day placings the previous season, and the top 14 counties in Divisions 1 and 2 should automatically qualify for the competition, then the bottom 4 sides of Division 2 have to play each other in a play-off, e.g. Somerset V Leicestershire and Derbyshire V Kent. Then the winners of those matches qualify for the main tournament. Then as a knockout tournament for 16, the teams then play a knockout competition to the final, and the winner of the final wins the trophy, simple.
Twenty20: This needs changing in my opinion, they should change this so the 3 groups of 6 change into 6 groups of 3, and the teams play each other once, thus cutting the number of group games down from eight to two immediately per team, and then proceed to the quarter-finals, and then change finals day too, so the semi-finals are not played on finals day, and the two finalists perhaps play a two-game aggregate final. One at lunchtime, one floodlit game. Then if the same team wins both games they win, but if they both win one game each then the team with the highest aggregate score wins the cup, thus if they win the first game, they still have to work hard to get the trophy.
Also, cut Scotland and Ireland completely out of all domestic competitions, this is a county scene, and not an international one.
Last year, the minimum number of days and matches there was cricket schedueled for one county was:
County Championship - 64 (16)
Pro40 One-Day League - 8 (8)
ECB Trophy - 8 (8)
Twenty20 - 8 (8)
Total - 88 (40)
Then, if one team progressed to the ECB Trophy and Twenty20 Final that would add another 4 games onto the schedule, making it a maximum of 44 games. Now with my new proposals, here is how many matches and days cricket would be on for:
County Championship - 52 (12)
Pro40 One-Day League - 16 (16)
ECB Trophy - 5 (5)
Twenty20 Cup - 6 (5)
Total - 79 (38)
Therefore the maximum number of days on the calendar is 38, and 6 less than normal, and the number of matches 9 less than normal, and 6 more days for training and resting, and the minimum number of games and days is caused by restoring the Pro40 league back to it's original state, the minimum number of days cricket you could play is 71, 17 days less than normal.
So, therefore, what would be achieved by doing this is:
Number of games shortened
One-day games increased to 50 overs
Some first-class matches increased to 5 days
Number of playing days in a season decreased
More knock-out competition, more competitive cricket
More days for training and resting
Better international preparation for younger players
More stability in the overseas players contracts
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 1:36pm |
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By guaranteeing a side just one home T20 game every season all you would do is ensure that half of them go bankrupt.
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Freddie
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 2:59pm |
Not necessarily Clobber, all the counties coped perfectly well before Twenty20 cricket was introduced, so why not cut the Twenty20 games, there would still be the quarter-finals and semi-finals as well which could be home games. Plus there would be 6 County Championship games, 8 Pro50 games, some ECB Trophy games plus the Twenty20 match, and loads of them generate popularity too. Plus if you take into account all of the pre-season games and second XI and youth matches, and then all of the money from membership etc, you'd still get loads of money from them anyway.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 3:59pm |
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I go to enough County games to know what crowds you get at them, so quite where you have the idea that Championship gates, let alone pre-season, 2nd XI & Youth games which are the proverbial one man and his dog jobs, are moneyspinners is open to question.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 8:05pm |
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They should be allowed 2 Overseas and a Kolpack.
But i think the limit shouldn't apply to T20. The revenue these clubs get from T20 is just too valuable and besides, the crowd want to say entertainment and the best players on show.
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inzamam329
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 8:45pm |
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How about looking at a way of getting rid of meaningless matches at the closer to the end of the season, as most teams fate has been sealed and many 1st class games often become the biggest bores in any sport, which is why we do not see many supporters at the end of thes season, not that many 1st class county games attract crowds anyway.
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Posted: 05 January 2007 at 10:22am |
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But the thing is you have to play out a full league program to get a meaningful league table...the main problem is that although championship games are the "real cricket", one-day and Twenty20 matches are undoubtably the money-spinners, and like it or lump it sport is business nowadays. I'd love to see fewer one-dayers, but clubs desperately need the revenue.
As regards overseas players, I wouldn't allow more than two but more importantly I'd insist on one being permanent fro the season, because all the advantages of great players passing on their knowledge to the youngsters is lost if you have a succession of different overseas players playing for a few weeks while their country has no tests. Also, I'd lump Kolpak in with overseas if I could, although I gather this is legally difficult |
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Posted: 05 January 2007 at 12:35pm |
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You somehow need fewer teams to generate more competion.
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Posted: 06 January 2007 at 7:39pm |
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I reckon fewer teams would never happen, domestic cricket in England is incredibly old and no one wants to change it
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Posted: 06 January 2007 at 7:46pm |
It's a good concept but it couldn't happen, as I stated in my previous post, say the 18 teams changed into 6 districts/regions, you would end up with about 60 players in a side, which is totally unrealistic, and would result in hardly any players getting regular matches.
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