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    Posted: 19 July 2011 at 7:03am
The ICC are thinking of resurrecting Timeless Test Matches to resolve the matches of the upcoming World Test Championship.   Last used  way back in 1938 when England visited South Africa , it was a failure as the match last 10 days and ended in a draw !!  England were cruising to victory when the game had to end as their boat was leaving for England !   The reports were all negative as the scoring rates in all 4 innings were beyong snail-like - and this in a period when 2 runs per over was regarded as fine ! 
              So 73 years later , it could be back , what are your thoughts?


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I don't see the necessity - most tests provide a positive result within 5 days and I see better ways of managing this without timeless matches.

              1)  Prepare wickets that deteriorate after about 3 days.

              2)   Increase the overs per day to 100 or 18 overs per hour  (that'll shake the players up!)   

              3)  Make the game's duration 30 hours long , even if that goes beyond 5 days - this for rain effected matches.

             I can't see any match not being resolved under those circumstances and if it's still undecided after these stipulations , then have some sort of bowl off.     I don't want to see 10 days matches - I have work to go to!


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You just know that sod's law dictates that there would be a huge brouhaha about having a Timeless Test, then it would be all over before lunch on the 3rd day!
 
I have no major issue with it, though I think your idea about 30 hours playing time is probably better. My one concern is it becoming an excuse to lay out the flattest wicket in history to ensure a long match, where we end up with 1400 all out plays 1387 in the first innings.
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You just know that sod's law dictates that there would be a huge brouhaha about having a Timeless Test, then it would be all over before lunch on the 3rd day!


   Now that would be funny matey !

 
Originally posted by Clobber

My one concern is it becoming an excuse to lay out the flattest wicket in history to ensure a long match, where we end up with 1400 all out plays 1387 in the first innings.


  Nothing would kill off test cricket more quickly.     
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 Yeah, wouldn't subscribe for it either. Can’t believe that any match could have been allowed to go on for ten days, never mind an enticing stalemate being the end result. Wouldn’t want anymore of those. Clobber's right, that would mean a lot more flat strip offerings on the cards. SOS!!!

  Like the thought of having to complete the 30 hour playing time, even if it means stretching it beyond the stipulated five days. Got to be careful with that too, not stretch it until it rips. Probably for an extra day at the most. Wouldn’t be a bad idea something like a reserve day  for every test.
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They are contemplating it to ensure they have a winner in the finals of the test championship which is quite funny actually because as Sledge has written there are various other ways to ensure that. At the most one "reserve" day can be in place in case rain washes out a significant part of the match, otherwise a first innings lead or something like that can be used to find out the winner.

Timeless test is a Big NO for me... also the entire Idea of a test championship looks a very poor one to me, I'm fine with the limited overs WC, the present ranking system to determine the Test No.1 side and just to keep people interested a Champions Trophy every two years because waiting for all teams to clash against each other for 4 years is quite a long wait so CT is necessary ... they want to Scrap the CT for the Test championship which to me is quite ridiculous.
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Perhaps not even 30 hours, but a match that has a maximum of 450 overs, as per paying supporters as supposed to be getting for their money as it is anyway. Players knowing they are going to have to come back another day might gee up some over rates.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 July 2011 at 5:57am
Originally posted by sam_ahmed


... also the entire Idea of a test championship looks a very poor one to me, I'm fine with the limited overs WC, the present ranking system to determine the Test No.1 side and just to keep people interested a Champions Trophy every two years because waiting for all teams to clash against each other for 4 years is quite a long wait so CT is necessary ... they want to Scrap the CT for the Test championship which to me is quite ridiculous.


 I'll have to disagree. I'm well in favor of a World Test Championship. Quiet like the idea of having an outright winner in Tests too. The 'Test Champions' tag would be a lot more meaningful to the players and fans alike as opposed to posing with a ICC's Gada like trophy at the end of a calender year. Think it would make Test cricket more prestigious an event. The best format of the game after all deserve to have its own championship.

However I'm opposed to the itinerary of the Championship, which is a little unclear, where different teams play different number of tests before the play-offs. A lot more tightening needed on that front.
Would also like to see an ODI league Championship, perhaps, lasting over a two year period.

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Perhaps not even 30 hours, but a match that has a maximum of 450 overs, as per paying supporters as supposed to be getting for their money as it is anyway. Players knowing they are going to have to come back another day might gee up some over rates.


 On the contrary I think teams could use that to purposely slow down over-rates in particular sessions where the oppositions on top and hope and wait for the session break to help shift momentum. For me 30 hours just fine, and if teams fail to comply with the over-rates strict penalties.



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On the contrary I think teams could use that to purposely slow down over-rates in particular sessions where the oppositions on top and hope and wait for the session break to help shift momentum. For me 30 hours just fine, and if teams fail to comply with the over-rates strict penalties.


 Agreed , but the penalties must be something more meaningful than a 20% fine for the captain and 10% for the rest!  It's time that the ICC really took the bull by the horns and on top of the monetary punishment the offending side were penalised to the tune of 10 runs per over for every over they fall short of the day's requirements.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 July 2011 at 10:41am
 I suppose the new rule of the captain getting a one-match ban in case of two over-rate violations within a period of 12months should work fine in overcoming that issue. Maybe even the bowler(s) responsible could be charged along those lines.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2011 at 1:43am

Timeless tests??? They're probably going to re-develop the Antigua Recreation Ground and host all the games there!

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I was led to believe that a timeless test would be used in the 'final' of the Test Championship to determine a clear cut winner. In that case, it may have merit. However, to use it in every test is not feasible. How would you determine how long you'd need the ground for, how many tickets to distribute or even when the next game should be. If the first test in a series went for 10 days and the next game was scheduled the day after then you'd have serious issues.
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Open ended cricket matches just don't generate excitement.  Some of the finest matches I've seen have got the adrenalin going because of the time constraints.   The drawn tests at Old Trafford test in 2005 and the Newlands test last year were nailbiters - one England could have won , the other lost - but both emptied the bars.  I understand that a final has to have a winner , but making it timeless is unnecessary and could give rise to the dullest match since 1939 and end with practically no-one giving a toss who wins !
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