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    Posted: 25 September 2012 at 8:11pm
well I do agree that Initially Starc looked very average to me but the lad has come along brilliantly, In fact if there was one bowler, who like Zuhair has said gets wickets with poor deliveries, I think it was Mitchell Johnson, I never rated him that highly and it'll be evident from my earlier posts on this forum. I think Starc has far more potential than Johnson.

Among Cummins, Starc and Pattinson, I think all of them are pretty much at par. I really like Pattinson, he has tremendous potential but he'll have to stay injury free, at the moment he breaks down too often.
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So here we go - the 4 table toppers in their respective groups will be playing each other in the super 8 - and 2 of the better teams will eventually be kicked out before the semis. Congratulations ICC
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kahmad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2012 at 8:49am
I think there is very much a deal between Sri Lanka Board and ICC. Maybe they planned this tournament in favour of Sri Lanka. Then they gave most of the awards to Sri Lanka. Best Umpire to Dharmasena was a real joke.
ICC is surely favouring Sri Lanka here
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mystery Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2012 at 8:59am
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

So here we go - the 4 table toppers in their respective groups will be playing each other in the super 8 - and 2 of the better teams will eventually be kicked out before the semis. Congratulations ICC


Exactly although matches would be great but in reality it will only make semi and the finals less interesting.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 September 2012 at 6:10pm
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I think there is very much a deal between Sri Lanka Board and ICC. Maybe they planned this tournament in favour of Sri Lanka. Then they gave most of the awards to Sri Lanka. Best Umpire to Dharmasena was a real joke.
ICC is surely favouring Sri Lanka here

yes, even sangakkara getting so many awards was a big surprise for me, what has he done in last one year, any major team SLN have beaten? or any major tournament they won? What significant has sanga done then? ... and Dharmasena ... *double face palm*

Hashim was scoring centuries every game and against the best attacks in the world on very difficult surfaces, poor lad hasn't got anything.

Anyways, back to the real thing, lets take it this way, if Pakistan can get through the super 8's, they'll have a real good chance of making it to the finals! (in the finals they may again face a team from their super 8 group Smile)
 


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HELLO GUYS.......
   Thanks for this useful information . My favorite team is Australia and
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Good luck marry, they've got a tough one tomorrow against India.

The first game of the super 8's ending in a dramatic super over win for SLN. I really don't like these super overs, a tie is a tie and teams should share the points, NZL did so well and still got 0 points from the outing, this is quite ridiculous.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2012 at 6:03pm
Pakistan pull off an absolute thriller, it was a game they never should have won but somehow they did! Umer Gul... I love you so much!!! It was also a delight to see Umer Akmal finally finishing off a game by staying there till the end, well the amount of talent this lad has, sometimes you wonder what's wrong with Umer Akmal!

Tactical erros there by AB though, he is not exactly a good captain AB, I've noticed he makes errors every game, can't believe Botha bowled just 2 overs on that pitch!

... and to top off a already wonderful Friday for Pakistan was Australia's crushing win over India, absolute "murder in the streets" as sledge would say, well, this was a humiliation of some proportions.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 September 2012 at 9:36am
And they haven't learnt lessons - Albie Morkel in death overs - good luck with that. We have seen that all before.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2012 at 2:33pm
RSA lose easily to AUS, what a disappointing performance once again at a world tournament against AUS by the proteas, they just, just don't seem to beat Australia in a World Cup, astonishing... and talking of astonishing, Shane Watson's form is also astonishing 4 MOM's in $ games. Hats off for Shane Watson.

This also means Pakistan have a chance to knock out both India and South Africa by winning against India in this high profile match, what a golden opportunity to book a place in the Semi - Finals and although this is still nothing as  compared to Mohali 2011, there will still be some revenge taken should they win today against their arch-rivals!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 September 2012 at 6:14pm
alright forget all that, Pakistan will be playing to save themselves against Australia come Tuesday, 8-0 to India now in WC games against Pakistan, also if I remember correctly the last time pakistan have beaten India in any international game was back in 2009 champions trophy when Malik and M Yousuf got going, since then India have beaten Pakistan 4 times (or is it more?) in internationals.

Pakistan just don't seem to believe they can beat India at a big stage just like how RSA don't seem to believe they can beat AUS at a big stage, the trend continues... at least until they meet sometime in another World Cup!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 October 2012 at 6:30am
Very true - Indians seem to handle the pressure much better than Pakistanis. Pakistan will be a different team against Aussies - they may still lose but they wont be as nervous as they were. India's thing is simple - they just have to win and they will proceed. Pakistan on the other hand has to depend on permutations
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Of the 13 ODIs in the last 5 years, India have 8 - while Pakistan's last victory came in Sep 2009 in the Champions Trophy
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There was a time when all Pakistan needed was a series against India to get themselves going Zuhair. However, we can talk all day about how Pakistan are missing those batsmen and those bowlers and all that but honestly I don't care if Wasim and Waqar are not around, I don't care if Inzi and Saeed are not around, I don't even care if Aamer and Asif are not around, but what matters to me and what hurts me is that Pakistan are no longer Pakistan.

Hafeez, Afridi, Ajmal, Raza Hasan and a medium pacer Arafat... This is Pakistan? I don't know this Pakistan, The Pakistan I grew up watching had express fast bowlers bowling their heart out and making that ball talk... these spinners Pakistan have are still brilliant, world class... but this is not Pakistan, or at least I don't know this Pakistan. 


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You are getting too emotional methinks. Pakistan have not been that bad - it is just that they have not coped the pressure of an Indian match well int eh recent past. Not that they have turned into an average team. They are actually doing pretty good across the formats. Fast bowling stocks' decline is a global phenomenon - you once had Donald Walsh Ambrose Wasim Waqar Polly mcGrath all playing at the same time. That was a luxury - we should feel lucky to have watched them play together.  I am still hopeful that Pakistan will soon come up with a bright fast bowling talent out of nowhere, just like The Amir case.
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Honestly they have already got a awesome talent like Junaid but sadly for some unknown reason he is not getting any chance to show his skills plus playing Arafat ahead of Razzaq is horrible and Razzaq was finally getting back in form after the Australian series yet he got dropped for a average guy like Arafat really shocking atleast for me.

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Abdul Razzaq has definetly won more matches for Pakistan than Hafeez, Malik, Arafat, Kamran, Nazir together
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Yes I am emotional Zuhair, 2-3 years ago I cared less even though PAK were not showing results. that's because I had a feeling of comfort with the line up, Asif, Aamer, I knew it's just a matter of time before they start steamrolling their opponents. I don't have that comfort level now, first of all I'm fed up of watching Imran Nazir making his 99th comeback, I'm fed up of reading the headline "Malik comes back into the squad", I'm fed up of watching Afridi face 5 balls and score 10 runs, secondly as Mystery has pointed out, for some reason the right bowlers are not getting picked.

I want to see people with some character, people who walk out there and are ready to take up the challenge, that is what I have always seen in Pakistan, people with that never say die attitude. At the moment Azhar Ali and Umer Akmal are my future hopes, I have never seen Haris Sohail play but I've heard a lot about him, Sailkot may only play 2 games at CLT20 but I'll be interested in watching Haris Sohail, lets see if he is the answer to Pakistan's middle order woes.

There is Junaid, he is a must, There is Sadaf, even if Sadaf is 70% of what Asif was, I'll be happy, and Zuhair says someone like Aamer, I say why not Aamer himself? Aamer is not good, he is not excellent... Aamer is brilliant... 3 years later he should be picked, he can still have a 12-14 years career ahead of him and Pakistan will never look back, Yes what he did is terribly wrong but the kid deserves a second chance, why not?

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That's too far down the line - Amir will be back when due. And I do not think that we have middle order batting woes. In Azhar, Asad and Umar we have it pretty well covered.

Let's not drag this one into a Pakistan thread. Let's see how Pakistan fight against the in form Aussies today
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150 is a good target but everthing will depend on how quickly they can get rid of Watson and Warner, if they get them early, Pakistan should win. if they don't, forget it!

I'm just hoping Watson is due a failure.
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I feel Pakistan have got everything which is required for a good if not great team plus after Zaka Ashraf i really feel good he is a gem finally someone who is sensible but the team is really not right.
Like Sam said Imran is just a useless thing just like Sami plus really this guy Umer Akmal is really getting wasted he must bat in top 3 atleast in T20 matches.

This should be the lineup.

Jamshed
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Ajmal

I want Hafeez in the team mainly due to his bowling he is really a wonderful bowler atleast in T20.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote mystery Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 October 2012 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

150 is a good target but everthing will depend on how quickly they can get rid of Watson and Warner, if they get them early, Pakistan should win. if they don't, forget it!

I'm just hoping Watson is due a failure.


SPOT ON!! both gone really excellent bowling by Hafeez and young Raza.

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Yup Mystery! Great start for Pakistan... Hoping for the best now, Hussey is dangerous... Get him... Go Pakistan Go!!!
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Pakistan have got themselves into a great position here, AUS struggling big time require over 11 an over now, they need 112 to assure qualification for the semis themselves, I just think their focus may shift here and they may look for that 112 first and then look to win if possible, great chance for Pakistan to win and hope RSA beat IND.
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So India miss out on semi final spot on NRR. My superstition of staying away froum form did not work out like last time when India won the World Cup.Well even BCCI had of bit superstition on using the same shirt design that won them World Cup instead of the flag of shoulder design that was released in August in much fanfare, which they did not use it eventually. 

Anyway four most deserving teams made it to the semis (as always team that wins or makes it to semis deserves that spot Thumbs Up) .Final four standing SL vs Pak and Aus Vs WI.

I expect SL vs WI final and can't say who would win that contest if that happens.That would make the most deserving teams in the final. I'm banking on Gayle and Dilli to come good in semis.


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Congratulations to all the 4 teams making it to the semis.

However, I'm not sure if the most deserving teams have made the SF's, first of all the Super 8 groupings were a joke, there is absolutely no way that the 4 group toppers are in one group and the others in one.

Secondly NZL played very very good cricket, better cricket than WI but still lost out because of two super over defeats (why can't a tie be a tie?), WI got through despite just one genuine win in the entire tournament so far (They didn't won a game in the group stages)

anyways I'm happy that Pakistan are through, however the game against SLN will be a tough one and I'd term SLN as the favorites. I thought India played good cricket, better than what I expected, they had two bad games, one against AUS and one against AFG.

Nothing to lose for Pakistan they should just go out there and play their game in the SF's, they have made it 4 in 4 SF's or better in ICC WT20's and on the trot they have made the SF's or better in the last 6 ICC events, mashallah. Well done Pakistan.
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So from Group 1 - WI and SL will go semi
Group 2 - Australia and Pakistan will go in semi


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Congratulations to all the 4 teams making it to the semis.

However, I'm not sure if the most deserving teams have made the SF's, first of all the Super 8 groupings were a joke, there is absolutely no way that the 4 group toppers are in one group and the others in one.

Secondly NZL played very very good cricket, better cricket than WI but still lost out because of two super over defeats (why can't a tie be a tie?), WI got through despite just one genuine win in the entire tournament so far (They didn't won a game in the group stages)

anyways I'm happy that Pakistan are through, however the game against SLN will be a tough one and I'd term SLN as the favorites. I thought India played good cricket, better than what I expected, they had two bad games, one against AUS and one against AFG.

Nothing to lose for Pakistan they should just go out there and play their game in the SF's, they have made it 4 in 4 SF's or better in ICC WT20's and on the trot they have made the SF's or better in the last 6 ICC events, mashallah. Well done Pakistan.


True Sam but in the end NZ is a team which will always be hard to defeat yet they will never win any Cup just like SA so to be honest its good that WI, SL, Pakistan and Australia have made the semi now that means all 4 have a strong chance of winning.

Its Pakistan for me all the way to the final with Australia but sadly i see Australia coming up with the win.
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SA will be gutted that they did not play du Plessis earlier in the tournament, which Ian Chappell was shouting every match.He single handedly pulled the score and almost pulled off which would otherwise be a distant thing for rest of the out of form SA batsman, but then he had no pressure and entire SA played without pressure as they were already knocked out of semis spot. They got themselves to blame for the lapse and selection blunders.

For India, the tournament was good one but will be dissapointed that they lost on NRR , but today maybe India should have gone in with an extra spinner in place of Rohit Sharma/Balaji, but so much happened in the press over selection/non selection of Shewag, maybe management did not want to take any risk and face the heat.

So now the team that made it to semis ...

AUS have Watson in prime form, the moment they lost Watson, they just set themselves 112 target to for a place in semi finals ... I feel they have made themselves severe damage by showing that attitude.WI should play Narine and Badree.

On SL vs Pak, it is difficult to pick who might qualify, Pak's spin will not be a threat to them while the same holds good for Pak, but I guess it is hosts time this time... almost every team in the tournament have had terrible days, except WI (to some extent) and SL that did not have a humiliation of some sorts, so I want the most consistent teams in finals.I will be very happy to see Gayle vs Malinga and Dilshan vs Narine Tongue.


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i think after the win over Asutralia Pakistan will be totally different team in this tournament. I dont think SRL will be that happy to face Pakistan in the semis. SRL is in really good form and its just Pakistan or India who can stop them.
I dont think Pakistan will drop Raza Hassan now. They should play with the same team as they did today. Umar Gul should bowl all his overs after the 12th over when the ball get a bit older. Abdul Razzaq could bowl few overs in the beginning.
I wish a Pak vs Wi final.
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