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    Posted: 04 July 2011 at 9:29am

The Indian test squad has been announced.

Gautam Gambhir (vice-capt), Virender Sehwag, Abhinav Mukund, Rahul Dravid, Sachin Tendulkar, VVS Laxman, Yuvraj Singh, Suresh Raina, MS Dhoni (capt/wk), Wriddhiman Saha (wk),
Harbhajan Singh, Amit Mishra, Zaheer Khan, Sreesanth, Munaf Patel, Ishant Sharma, Praveen Kumar
 
Should be a fascinating series. Will surely be the last England tour for Dravid, Sachin and VVS. Dravid and VVS getting some runs in the ongoing WI tour is a good sign for the Indians. Raina or Yuvraj whoever plays at no.6 will struggle I feel (unless they come in to bat with score looking like 300/4). Swann v/s top 5 Indian batsman should be another interesting contest. Harbhajan may not do that well considering the fact, English batsmen gets to play a world class spinner Swann in the nets. Praveen kumar could be interesting. Though I don't rate him, he could be more than handful in English conditions. Actually going with 5 bowlers could be a better option for Indians considering that, both Raina and Yuvraj are not great test batsman. With possibly 4 right handers (Trott, Bell, Peiterson & Prior), Misra could be an interesting pick. Also Misra, Harbhajan, Praveen Kumar, Zaheer and Sharma can all contribute 15-20 runs with the bat.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 July 2011 at 3:16pm
 Its a full strength for India, though Sehwag still not back to 100% fitness and could be missing the first Test.

 Saha could be deemed as lucky over here, thought Parthiv Patel would get the nod for the back-up keeper berth. Dhoni's very close to a suspension having already been charged twice inside six months for slow over-rate, which means one more inside the next six months and he could face an immediate one Test ban. Which means Saha could well be getting a chance to debut in England. Not ideal,  Parthiv would've been a slightly better option.

  Again if it were upto me RP Singh would've featured in the 17. Still a better option than Munaf and Praveen, sadly don't think he'll be coming back anytime soon. Praveen though could be handful given the conditions suits him perfect, though he ain't gonna be giving anyone sleepless nights. Still think Sreesanth would be the third seamer come the first Test.

Pujara again unfortunate to miss out  due to injury. May not be a game changer yet , but the exposure would've nourished his growth.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 July 2011 at 8:55am
The big poser - will Tendulkar finally make it onto the Lords Honours Board after all these years ?    I wouldn't bet against him !
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Excluding against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, except for against Pakistan in 2004, India have not won more than 1 test in an overseas series since 1986, that is last 25 years. 

It is hard to assume this series will end anything like 1-0 for India with 3 draws, and it is also unlikely that Eng will be able to stop this Indian team from winning at least one test and it is also unlikely that India will finally break the jinx of winning more than 1 test in a series abroad against such a strong England side.

Also given the weather conditions in England and the strength of the two sides (more or less evenly matched) there has to be at least a draw.

Keeping all that in mind, I'd say the series will either be a 1-1 draw or 2-1 to England.


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India's back-up batsmen failed when faced with decent bowling conditions against only reasonably good bowlers in the Windies. Thus this is India's last chance to win in England for a while. By the time India play another test series in England, Sachin/Laxman/Dravid will be past their best methinks.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2011 at 4:50am
Mikey, the way Ravi Rampaul is bowling now, it's not just reasonably good.  Hitting the deck hard with movement and pace is high quality stuff!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2011 at 8:45am
 Yes Sam that true. India hasn't won more than one test in an away series since the Pakistan 2004 series. But that also to do with weather at times. In the 2009 NZ tour India being denied a 2-0 result when rain washed out more than 60 overs from Day 5 with India just two wickets from victory.

 And lets be honest about this WI tour too , if rain had taken away half the number of overs than it actually did, you would've to bet on India winning atleast one of those draws, if not both. Nonetheless the 1-0 result a fair one.

 I share Sam's series prediction on this series though.   1-1 or 2-1 to England. The force is with the Brits at the moment .

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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2011 at 8:59am
Originally posted by spin wizard

Mikey, the way Ravi Rampaul is bowling now, it's not just reasonably good.  Hitting the deck hard with movement and pace is high quality stuff!


 Yes. Add Fidel and Bishoo to that too.
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Doesn't compare to the England bowlers Spin... the Windies bowlers were reasonably good in great conditions, but the English bowlers would have been sublime. That's my point. I'm talking comparatively.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2011 at 5:19pm
fair point v4p but considering one series in last 25 years (excluding ZIM and BAN) is quite an astonishing stat, I didn't knew this until my friend pointed out to me a few days ago.

WI bowling is fairly good Mikey but obviously England bowlers will be a more difficult challenge. Except for Jerome Taylor I don't think WI are missing anyone in their bowling attack.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2011 at 12:42am

People need to keep in mind that whenever given bowling conditions over the past few years, the Indian bowling has been as good as the oppositions.  If there is movement around, India have a pace attack to exploit it.  England's best bet is to win the first test because there's no Sehwag to set a platform, also that Gambhir and Sachin wouldn't have played much lately.  England doesn't seem to hunt well at Lord's though.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote vote4peace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 July 2011 at 10:33am
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

fair point v4p but considering one series in last 25 years (excluding ZIM and BAN) is quite an astonishing stat, I didn't knew this until my friend pointed out to me a few days ago.



 Shouldn't really have come as a Big surprise Sam. No secret that India were really poor travellers esp during the 90's. The team and players during that period lacked professionalism, the necessary fitness levels and more pertinently the mental strength or toughness. They've struggled to put up a decent show abroad to even win a single test let alone two.

 But things, started to take a turn for the better by the start of this century, thanks mainly to two guys. Then India's newly appointed captain Sourav Ganguly and India's first foreign coach John Wright.

 John injected the much needed professional ethos and made them much aware of the importance of match fitness and worked towards it. Ganguly brought about a change in the mental approach and attitude. He forced them to believe, to take the bull by the horns. For me that partnership was a significant turning point in Indian cricket and the dawn of a new era our cricketing history. Since then we've done a lot better overseas and have now painted a much better picture afield. Touch wood Tongue
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I have to admit for me this is a highly anticipated series, not least as I have tickets to day 4 at the Oval, with 11 of my friends all coming too! If it goes to day 5 there I've got that day booked off of work.

To add a bit of icing to the cake, the wife won tickets through Wisden to the Lords test day 4, needless to say, I'm over the moon! I was relishing the prospect of hoping to see the Little Master in action, but now I have 2 chances to see him!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Clobber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2011 at 2:02pm
A handy 78 for Strauss this morning, out of a 101 run partnership, in his guest appearance for Somerset. A nice knock by all accounts so the runs and not getting out to Zaheer will do him some good.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2011 at 5:32pm
SOM 241/1 and a big struggle for Indian bowlers first up, they have got some bowling practice though but will have to perform much better when the real things starts this thursday. Good warm up innings indeed for Strauss.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Clobber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2011 at 8:48pm
I wouldn't worry too much about the bowlers struggling in this match, it is one of the flattest wickets in the country, so they will get a good workout and have to earn their wickets on it if nothing else.
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And I don't think they will start with Sreesanth and Munaaf anyways - so there is nothing much in that performance that I see.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 July 2011 at 4:13pm
Zaheer has gone wicketless as well and Mishra hasn't done too well either, I think at Lord's they will go with either Munaf or Sreesanth and leave out Praveen Kumar. Munaf is more likely to get the go ahead.

Anyways, as Clobs said it is apparently a flat deck so not to worry too much for the Indians,

The new ICC test Rankings are out, AUS have slipped further in terms of points, India have remained more or less same as have been the other teams, Pakistan have gained slightly,  the world No.1 test ranking is at stake in this series and if ENG win by a 2 test margin they will overtake India to become the new No.1 test side. However, I do not think India will lose by two tests.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 July 2011 at 6:47pm
well perhaps the wicket isn't as flat afterall, IND 117/6, although it is just a warm up this is not a good start for team India.

It always happens with India in the first game of a series, they have to come out of it quickly though.
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From what I read, India's position has all to do with sloppy batting and not a lot to do with the wicket.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 July 2011 at 7:15am
Might be Clobs, I think India is reaching a stage where their ODI side is well settled with all the youngsters doing well but the test side is a bit scratchy, the youngsters are not able to cement their places and don't seem to have the temperament to play test cricket and T20 might have a lot to do with this. India's test match troubles might start very very soon because the seniors are on the verge of retirement.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Clobber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 July 2011 at 10:37am
It's a shame they didn't have room for Pujara in their squad, especially after he did really well with India A here last year, so might have had a better handle on conditions than one or two others.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 July 2011 at 1:13pm
Pujara is injured and is out for at least 4 months Clobs, but then I don't think they would have selected him anyways esp after Yuvraj's good showing at the WC.

A century by Raina today means India end up at a fairly respectable 224. Still not good enough.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Clobber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 July 2011 at 10:11pm
And a hundred for Strauss in the second dig too, so a real nice confidence booster for him, even though they opted to hide Zaheer from him. Mishra's confidence will have taken a knock beiing annihilated by Peter Trego, 14 overs for 123 runs. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 July 2011 at 6:19am
Not an ideal warm up for the Indians , but I'm not reading too much into it.  Straussy will be feeling a whole lot better ahead of Lords after two fine knocks.  I just hope that elusive thing called the English summer shows up !
         Bresnan gets the nod over Finn in the 12 selected for the first test. Maybe a little harsh on Finn , who afterall knows the famous slope better than most.  If the pitches have some grass on them I see a series victory by England , but probably not enough to take them to the top of the rankings.


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Not a dream start to the tour. In fact was a Nightmare. Not a lot of positives to take from that jig. Hopefully they've got that bad game out of the way. The Indians have on most occasions been slow starters in a big tour. That why it be mandatory to have a couple of warm-ups before hand esp. on away tours.

 

 Raina could edge out in front of Yuvraj for that No.6 spot. That leaves the 3rd seamers slot as the only question mark, a dog fight between Sreesanth, Munaf and Praveen. Praveen being the least favourite of the three. Among the other two, while Munaf is reliably safer at not losing it, a fired up Sreesnath could prove hot enough to handle for even the best – refer to Kallis at Durban.  Either way it would’ve to be a gamble, and Dhoni’s really good at those.
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I'd have surely gone with Munaf but I have a feeling Dhoni might opt for Praveen, I do not think Sreesanth will get the nod.

Anyways, a forgettable warm up game for India but all that matters is what starts on Thursday, ENG though still favorites in my view.

An advertisement here has created a lot of uproar, Dhoni making fun of Harbhajan singh and his family in that Ad, apparently Harbhajan's mother is considering taking legal action against the owners of the product (who happens to be the multi millionaire Vijay Mallya). allthough they say all is well between bhajji and Mahi even after that Ad, I'm not too sure if these kind of things are good for team spirit. Somewhere Harbhajan must have felt really bad and angry not just at product owners but also at his captain. 
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 Even I'd have been tempted to go with Praveen on recent form, but considering that he's got just three matches under his belt sounds risky given the magnitude of this series. Sreesanth has to first win a battle with himself (which could determine which Sreesanth show up, Jekyll or Hyde ) before being able to assert himself on the opposition. He's got the better and more proven matchwinning capabilities compared to a Praveen or a Munaf. But having Munaf gives an attack of Zaheer and Ishant more balance given his ability of bowling steady, tight longer spells.
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The 3rd seamer will be important because for some years now Lords has been a batsman's dream. Sreesanth can be a real handful or a liability and I think v4p's right , they need someone to contain the batsmen , so he could well be carrying the drinks.
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