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Titan
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Topic: India vs South Africa Posted: 07 November 2005 at 12:07pm |
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16-28 November, 5 one day games. I predict a very interesting series, SA to win 3-2.
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Posted: 07 November 2005 at 3:42pm |
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Welcome to the forums Titan, it should be an enthralling series with both sides on a roll, and I'd agree with you, a close win for South Africa.
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Posted: 07 November 2005 at 9:32pm |
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oh this is going to be a great series, india and SA are both doing great and they will both play tough. i predict SA to take it 3-2.
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Posted: 08 November 2005 at 5:54am |
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India will win - 4 reasons for that.....
1) Home advantage and slow pitches.
2) SA's spin options are non-existant.
3) Indian batsmen are on fire , SA's are hit and miss.
4) No Hershelle Gibbs , the talisman in the field for SA. They'll also miss his batting and Boye's bowling.
SA performed adequately against a desparately disappointing New Zealand. NZ losing Orum and not selecting Cairns left them short of firepower and yet SA stuttered when winning the first 3 matches. 4-0 it was , but it was a close 4-0.
Indian won the 1st 4 games against Sri Lanka convincingly , even when the Lankans set a decent target.
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Posted: 08 November 2005 at 9:21pm |
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well, you've got some very valid points there sledger. india do have the home advantage, and the indian batsman are on fire, and now that i look at it, india do have a better chance of beating SA.
but i'm sure SA will fight hard.
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Posted: 08 November 2005 at 9:38pm |
No, with South Africa on an 18 match unbeaten streak I find it very hard to believe that India will waltz to victory over SA.
I am picking a 3-2 series, with the result uncertain at this stage.
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Posted: 09 November 2005 at 12:28am |
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that's also a great point, SA are nearing the most ODI wins in a row (22 i think) and might well break that record so they have a lot of momentum going into the series.
i can't choose which team will beat the other but i know that it is going to be one awesome series.
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Posted: 09 November 2005 at 12:52am |
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Well, I'm not sure they can get that record now saad, as their last match was rained off so it wasn't a win but the unbeaten record is still impressive.
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Posted: 09 November 2005 at 1:04am |
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so the win streak has ended?
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Posted: 09 November 2005 at 1:16am |
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Yeah, as the last match was a 'no-result'. A pity for them as they looked well set to win I thought.
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Posted: 09 November 2005 at 2:12am |
so what was the target they were chasing?
i never even knew that this match was going on.
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Posted: 09 November 2005 at 5:32am |
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Friday's game was a no-result JP , SA won Sunday's game on Duckworth-Lewis.
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Posted: 09 November 2005 at 8:40am |
Originally posted by Sledger
Friday's game was a no-result JP , SA won Sunday's game on Duckworth-Lewis. |
That would be it; I was in France, after all! 
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Posted: 09 November 2005 at 8:46am |
Originally posted by -JP-
That would be it; I was in France, after all!  |
I was just a tad closer !!!
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Titan
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Posted: 09 November 2005 at 10:03am |
What key battles do you guys think will swing the series???
Example Pollock vs Tendulkar
Ntini vs Sehwag
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Posted: 09 November 2005 at 5:43pm |
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i expect tendulker and dravid to be the spine of the indian batting.
and as for SA, i think Kallis will be their big gun.
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Posted: 09 November 2005 at 8:05pm |
Yeah, South Africa are on a 18 match unbeaten streak. The record is 21 by Australia (which was all wins). South Africa have had 1 tie, 2 no results and 15 wins in their streak.
The key clash for me is going to be Langeveldt vs the Indian middle order. Langeveldt has been SA's trump card this year with his ability to take wickets and/or keep the run rate down. Hall as well, he loves playing in India, it appeals to his line-length bowling.
As far as the batsmen go ... can Pathan handle Smith and Kallis the way Bond and Mills did for NZ?
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Posted: 09 November 2005 at 8:34pm |
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pathan is a good bowler, now only if he had some more support from the others. the fast bowler really don't seem to pitching in to the bowling but harbajan certainly seems to be in good form. and i think pathan and harbajan will be india's main bowling ammunition against SA.
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 6:58am |
The slow bowlers will be crucial and the South African are lightweight in this department. Harbajhan's 10 overs will be a major factor on the outcome of the matches. Don't overlook Kartik either , he's a nice guy to have as supersub ( I hate that term!!  )
Kallis , Smith , Boucher and Pollock know the conditions and will need to fire......Kemp is the unknown factor and could be a matchwinner.
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 7:01am |
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I thought that Bond and Mills were very dissapointing from a NZ point of view against SA. Before the tour there was such hype over Bond but, he turned out to be expensive and wayward. On the Indian wickets the ball will come much slower on to the bat, so SA batsmen will have to wait longer for the ball. The bowlers will also have to bowl fuller as there is no pace in the wickets, the Indian batsmen will easily despatch short pitch bowling.
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 7:14am |
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That's right Titan , the length is crucial and as we move into Winter the dew factor will cause problems - especially in the day/nighters.
In fact I'd go as far to say that the side batting 2nd in the D/N games will win.
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 7:28am |
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You will not believe it, but Smith as never played a ODI in India, he has only payed a test series in India at the end of last year. He has played against India in four ODI's 3 times in Dhaka and once in Colombo. His batting average a "brilliant" 2.33. We will have to take in account that he is inexperienced in Indian conditions, hopefully the senior players(Kallis,Pollock and Boucher) will assist him.
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 7:58am |
Blimey , 2.33 is almost a mirror image of MY average !!
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 8:24am |
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2.33, and i thought smith was almost an allrounder, but this proves he isn't. He can still bat good down the order sometimes and sometimes those innings are very crucial.
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 8:41am |
Originally posted by saadadvanced7
2.33, and i thought smith was almost an allrounder, but this proves he isn't. He can still bat good down the order sometimes and sometimes those innings are very crucial. |
Saad , Smith always opens .......and his overall average is terrific!
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 8:51am |
Sledger, what do you think about the current SA team? I think this team could became a great team. We still lack in the spin department. I thought J.Rudolph should have gone to India, he is a better spin bowler than Peterson and Ontong, he bowled very good in the recent tour of SA A to Sri Lanka. Rudolph is also one of the most talented batsmen, and we need him badly for the tour of Australia!
What about Kruger and Steyn? Will you give them a change against Aus?
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 9:07am |
Originally posted by Sledger
Originally posted by saadadvanced7
2.33, and i thought smith was almost an allrounder, but this proves he isn't. He can still bat good down the order sometimes and sometimes those innings are very crucial. |
Saad , Smith always opens .......and his overall average is terrific! |
i'm sorry, i thought you guys were talking about shaun pollock. he bats down the order and can score crucial runs that's what i meant to say, and he's an okay all rounder.
buts that isn't the topic so my apologies.
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 9:08am |
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SA are improving with every game Heinrich. Smith's captaincy is more effective too and the buzz in the team is very positive. Rudolph is difficult to access , Jennings had plans for him to bowl his leggies against the English and we saw little of him. Maybe that was Smith's call , but for whatever reason he had a poor series. Dippenaar did well in the West Indies , so Rudolph just has to make a lot of runs in the domestic competitions to get back - England identified his batting flaws and exposed him easily. He was caught behind the wicket or bowled with relative ease.
Peterson and Ontong aren't good enough - they've both been tried numerous times and been found wanting. It's tough on the captain too , having to bowl someone who's going to go for plenty. Young Botha must be given a go , but I'm unsure if India is the right place to try him! yes , he'll get assistance from the pitches , but their batsmen are pretty handy against tweakers!
I'm a big Steyn fan and firmly believe that he is SA's best chance of ruffing up the Australians later this year. He's quick and aggressive and must be given 1st use of the new ball. Maybe it's time for Pollock to bowl 1st change , along with Nel and let Ntini and Steyn go up front. I'm convinced the ONLY way to play Australia effectively is to attack - sit back with defensive fields and they'll destroy you....ask England's captains , they did it for 18 years!
In summary , the outlook is bright and the side is young. They'll make mistakes , maybe lose the odd test that they shoudln't (Wanderers 2005!) - but they're learning with each match. They've still got class in the ranks too , seasoned pros like Pollock , Kallis and Gibbs - the next 6 months are going to be very important to the development of the side.
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Posted: 10 November 2005 at 9:12am |
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yea, well, there are some good points in there and i certainly agree with most of them but india are also a very strong side and will have the home advantage.
india are on a roll and there star players are good form right now.
so this upcoming series is going to be one filled with twists and turns.
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Posted: 11 November 2005 at 9:31am |
i feel indians hav prepared hard with respect to the south africa series than lankans.. becoz soon after they won series by 4-0.. they began full experimentation.All batting orders started changing! seniors rested..bowlers replaced .. captain too rested..Its amazing to see that this all worked..hats off to chapel. i feel indians hav a better edge over SA considering home advantage..
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