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capital_s 
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 Topic: Kallis or PontingPosted: 08 January 2006 at 8:17pm |
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I chose Kallis as a better player, because although Ponting is a slightly
more talented batsmen, Kallis is a very good bowler as well, with over 200 ODI wickets. |
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My two favourite Batsmen:
Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well. I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age |
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Clobber
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Posted: 08 January 2006 at 8:29pm |
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Kallis is far too selfish a player; bats for his average, only wants to bowl when there are a few cheap wickets to be had.
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vize
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Posted: 08 January 2006 at 9:07pm |
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Both are exceptional batsmen for their teams and are vital a ssets for their teams. I would say Kallis is the better PLAYER because his batting is equal to Pontings and his bowling is far better
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capital_s
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Posted: 08 January 2006 at 11:17pm |
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Clobber, you have just read what other people say. Kallis is not a selfish player! People just think he is selfish because he prefers to play at a slow rate. And as for his bowling he doesn't "chose" to bowl. He is set to bowl when he has to. He used to be a dangerous opening bowler in ODIs and still has a bit of flare. Lets not forget he got ponting out LBW in the last match. |
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My two favourite Batsmen:
Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well. I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age |
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MiNiWaRnEy
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Posted: 09 January 2006 at 12:43am |
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Ponting is a more valuable player, as he scores a lot of runs in situations whent they are in trouble or not. He scores his runs quickly and dominates, he has obviously got a better cricket mind, Kallis didnt get captaincy. I agree with Clobber somewhat, Kallis scores too slow and is slightely selfish player, his bowling alos seems quite useless now aswell and his catching ability has dropped, he can';t field anywhere besides slip. Ponting is a brilliant fieldsmen who offers more in the field then just about anyone else in the world (Symonds is No.1 fielder, Ponting No.2, it used to be the other wqay around) It is quite useless comparin the 2 because Kallis is an allrounder and Ponting a batsmen/skipper. It is just like when you were trying to compare Shaoub and Irfan |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 09 January 2006 at 1:54am |
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Statistically Kallis is a slightly better player. Currently Ponting is better. They are both exceptionally talented batsman and both are crucial to their teams.
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MiNiWaRnEy
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Posted: 09 January 2006 at 2:52am |
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Actually statistically Ponting is better. IN batting ofcourse. Edited by MiNiWaRnEy |
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Clobber
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Posted: 09 January 2006 at 8:41am |
How did I manage that when I posted the first reply???? I have seen more than enough cricket to form my own opinions thank you very much. |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 09 January 2006 at 9:29am |
Just look at the averages because Ponting has played more matches than Kallis so he can outscore him....and it won't be a surprise. If you look at the averages Ponting has an amazing Test average of 57.71 after his 2 centuries against SA, and Kallis has an amazing Test average of 57.24. That gives Ponting a slight edge. I think Ponting is going to have a Test average of 60+ if he continues in this form for the rest of his career. Anyway, in ODIs, Kallis has an outstanding average of 44.43 and Ponting has an ODI average of 42.22. Ponting has more runs in both form of the game because he has played more matches. |
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MiNiWaRnEy
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Posted: 09 January 2006 at 12:43pm |
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Kallis gets mor enot outs and is selfish byscoring slow and not trying to get out. Ponting has a higher SR as well and he bats at No.3 so virtually no not outs.
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Posted: 09 January 2006 at 12:51pm |
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This is rather silly - they have a role in their respective teams - and a crucial one at that! Ponting is in the form of his life and Kallis is trying to come back from a really troublesome injury. Tendulkar still hasn't fully recovered from his tennis elbow problem and neither has Kallis.
Who knows , Kallis might have been playing in serious pain these last couple of matches - he's too much of a man to use it as an excuse for some slowish scoring. Just accept that they're two top class players , but saying who's best is rather futile. |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 10 January 2006 at 7:42pm |
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I didn't know that Kallis had an injury...maybe it was before I got into cricket....
Well said Sledger. Ponting and Kallis both have a big role in their teams. Ponting has been in great form and it looks to me like there are always triple figures beside his name in every match. Kallis a great all-rounder...more of a batsman now. Kallis isn't doing bad at all right now but as Sledger said he had some injury which is affecting his performance right now...that I don't know about. Edited by saadadvanced7 |
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Posted: 11 January 2006 at 10:22am |
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Kallis is much more solid and relayable batsman while Rickey is a bit risky player. Rickey sometimes throw his wicket even in difficult situations.Kallis knows his importance in side so that is why he don't take too much chances.He always try to built partnerships .But Rickey looks in some hurry when he comes in the field.
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Big Josh
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Posted: 11 January 2006 at 8:29pm |
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They can be considered as even but i say Kallis is better because like qasi said Ponting is a once in a while performer who often takes too many risks as compared who will rarely risk his wicket given any circumstnaces
 And yah Kallis just doesn't bowl aswell he also is a great slip fielder who like POnting bearly drop catches {except when he dropped Hussey in the test series}otherwise i very good all-rounder
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MiNiWaRnEy
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Posted: 12 January 2006 at 12:41am |
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YOU DO NOT AVERAGE 58 IN TESTS IF YOU THROW AWAY YOU WICKET EASILY...DER!? |
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capital_s
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Posted: 12 January 2006 at 2:27am |
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Some of you seem to forget that kallis used to be quite a dangerous
bowler. You can't forget that when you're talking about stats. He does
have almost 200 wickets in ODIs and tests!
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My two favourite Batsmen:
Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well. I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 12 January 2006 at 7:19pm |
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Well, if you look at it that way, than Kallis wins because then he become more important to the team.
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ANIL KUMBLE
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Posted: 13 January 2006 at 2:27pm |
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kallis hasnt scored a double ton in tests but his average is quite remarkable kallis is an all rounder hes batting in odis is slow but effective and holds the record for the fastest fiftie in tests 24 balls in this case i say ponting in tests kallis in odis but ponting is more entertaining to watch
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Posted: 13 January 2006 at 2:54pm |
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ponting is by far the better batsmen, considering his average is higher than kallis and he's played more matches, and the fact that punter has a far better strike rate makes him superior. although kallis is a very good player punter is just better
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Big Josh
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Posted: 13 January 2006 at 2:59pm |
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Being slow in the ODI game has proven helpful for him and the rest of the team becuase he holds the innings together and allows other players to be aggressive.But he is a true team player because when he is required to be aggressive he is and he doesn't bat without analysing the position of his team>I think he hasn't scored a double century because SA has had and still has a powerfull lineup hence once he is within 100+ his team would be placed in strong position to declare due to his perfomance and many other small contributions by other players hence he hasn't had the time,but i beleive it's gonna come some time soon.Just be patient. |
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 14 January 2006 at 3:17am |
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How does scoring a double century make a batsman greater than another batsman. And if that's the case, then you're saying that since Inzamam has scored a triple century, he's better than both Ponting and Kallis...which is obviously wrong.
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prayas
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Posted: 15 January 2006 at 6:36pm |
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i consider kallis as one of the best alrounder in the world. even though he doesnot have more centuries than ponting he is most reliable batsman in the world
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ANIL KUMBLE
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Posted: 15 January 2006 at 6:40pm |
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yes he bats slowly but he rebulids south africas innings whenever there in trouble he seems to save the day
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Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though...
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 16 January 2006 at 7:37pm |
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Well, its not like Ponting has never saved Australia. He played some crucial innings in the ashes.
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Posted: 18 January 2006 at 8:46am |
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they are pretty even batters although ponting dominates the game whilst at the crease kallis gets the runs but not as spectacular as ponting but............ there is the point that kallis is a very handy bowler as well so my vote goes to him
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 18 January 2006 at 7:11pm |
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Ponting is a much better batsman than Kallis right now and he is more entertaining too. Kallis is soo slow.
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ANIL KUMBLE
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Posted: 19 January 2006 at 3:29pm |
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ponting can bowl to quite frankly hes not that bad he had the best average in the ashes 8 with figures of 6 overs 2 maidens 1 for 8 and hes best figures in odis are 3-20
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Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though...
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saadadvanced7
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Posted: 19 January 2006 at 8:49pm |
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Still, those don't matter at all because we all know that Ponting is a specialist batsman.
Kallis is a class batsman and a good bowler...not as good as he use to be. |
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Posted: 29 January 2006 at 5:17am |
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Kallis is good batsman and a good bowler while Ponting is only batsman
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Posted: 29 January 2006 at 7:38am |
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Yup! And they are both crucial players for thier teams.
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Whereas Ponting is more aggressive and he comes in earlier im the innings and has more time to bat at the crease.