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wiseguy 
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 Topic: Kaneris : Most overratedPosted: 19 January 2007 at 4:39am |
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I am really disappointed with Kaneria's progress in world cricket so far. He has not lived up to the expectation, and he has become the biggest heart break for pakistani fans. Some regard him unlucky, others say he has a slow learning curve, but I believe there are always a few bowlers who are not destined for glory.
Will he always be remmembered as the very talented but ineffective bowler for his country? Edited by wiseguy - 19 January 2007 at 4:39am |
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wiseguy
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 4:42am |
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Infact the other Day Abdul Qadir in his review said that if so many overs were bowled by Afridi he would have got more wickets, with whatever spin he bowls, he was very critical of Kaneria and said that he has not learned anything after playing so many years of cricket, and still has no plan as to how he will get wickets, whats his stock delivery, how diffrently to bowl to a new batsman etc etc
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shan
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 7:52am |
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Kaneria and Sami both belong to the same class, both are isolated. No learning no skill development is typical of these two and they shouldn't be given anymore chances unless they improve and prove their skills in the first class cricket. |
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wiseguy
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 8:22am |
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Well I believe , Kaneria should play countycricket to have an extended experience on pitches which are not much conducive to spin, becos playing in pakistan would definately show an inflatted number of wickets for him. Sami on the other hand definately has his last outing for pakistan and if he doesnt deliver , he will be forgotton for good!
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Sledger
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 8:42am |
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I have to agree , Kaneria just hasn't improved after a reasonable start
to test cricket. He lacks variation , at test level , turn , even a lot
of turn , won't take wickets if the deliveries are practically
identical.
Mushtaq Ahmed is a class act and I'm sure would strengthen the Pakistani side if he was recalled. A stint in county cricket could well help Kaneria , he needs to try different things and cricket 6 days a week will give him that chance. |
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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wiseguy
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 10:35am |
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You are right Sledger, I think whenever I see him bowling it feels something is missing, he bowls very good balls, but there is no plan, he looks an immature bowler, who just bowls and bowls and expects that wickets will come automatically. Comaparatively , kumble and warne, you can see a plan and easily guess a wicket coming!
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 11:11am |
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He's played for Essex a couple of seasons I think so there is plenty of opportunity to bowl in batsman friendly conditions
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 1:02pm |
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Kaneria lacks what is important as a spinner, an astute brain! Warne is very effective because he outfox the batsmen at times.
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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Sledger
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 1:14pm |
I can't remember that Clobs , maybe I don't watch out for Essex's results! How did he do? |
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 1:20pm |
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One good season with 60-odd wickets at 25's, but not so good the second time around
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Posted: 19 January 2007 at 5:16pm |
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He holds a record for most balls bowled in an innings without getting a wicket. I think it was 70 overs
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Posted: 20 January 2007 at 8:39am |
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70 overs, thats ridiculous
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Posted: 20 January 2007 at 9:43pm |
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Kaneria's biggest shortfall is that he lacks any kind of straight delivery. he can't get LBWs like say Kumble or Warne because batsman always know their facing turn.
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Posted: 21 January 2007 at 7:10pm |
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kaneria is a big disappointment so far i agree but you cant deny hehas potential. I was annoyed at a south african commentator the other day saying his googly needs to be worked on because its the biggest telegram ever. He waited for the googly to turn the other way after kaneria had bowled it then he said "yep i picked it again", i think is googly is one of the best out there
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Posted: 22 January 2007 at 6:55am |
The 2nd season is always so much tougher than the breakthrough one Clobs! Be it cricket , rugby or football , the opposition know your strengths and weaknesses and try to blunt the former and exploit the latter. |
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shan
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Posted: 22 January 2007 at 8:27am |
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At least in this test Kaneria seems to be a bit improved bowler, a lot of improvement still needed though. Mushtaq Ahmed has worked on him quite a lot and it's not only his changed bowling action only, but he is more effective than before. A little bit of more planning, developing an effective flipper, and a bit more aggression can definately make him a wicet taking bowler for Pakistan. At least there seems to be a break through, well done Mushi and well taken advice Kaneria, keep it up! Kaneria's googly is, no doubt, amazing, perhaps best in the market today!! All he lacked was good bowling plan, a stunning flipper and a bit mroe effective leg break. Let's see if he is able to continue the improvement. Edited by shan - 22 January 2007 at 8:32am |
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Posted: 22 January 2007 at 8:45am |
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He looks a different bowler in this test Shan - what a difference
a week makes! Mushtaq must be a great help to the lad - he's
such an experienced campaigner and knows the art of legspin inside out.
If Kaneria continues to listen , then he'll continue to improve - Pakistan must persevere with him. |
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shan
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Posted: 23 January 2007 at 8:05am |
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Yeah, but let's hope it's not a one off show. Kaneira has the talent, nobody doubts about that. But the talent alone cann't buy you a wicket unless you are able to successfully transform the talent into an effective work methodology, to develop skills and apply them practically. Planning is the key again without which results are a far off possibility. Mushy, no doubt is a great helping hand at the moment, but Kaneria should be able to replicate all these things on his own if he really want to be a great bowler. |
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Posted: 23 January 2007 at 6:03pm |
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Well, I heard Waqar once said that Danish doesn't do what they tell him. Waqar said that he told him to change up his bowling by mixing up the pace and so on but he said Danish doesn't do it. I think that Kaneria needs the slider more than the flipper. Easier to control and still damn effective. Warne 40 wicket summer in england in 2005 - about a 5th was the sliders.
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Posted: 25 January 2007 at 5:17pm |
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watching danish in that last test he has transformed completely in his style since mushy came. obviously he has shortened his run up, thats obvious. but know he thinks about what he is doing. he tries to outwit the SA batsman, he was wearing at them outside offstump, forcing them to drive through the covers, he was patient in his approach until the batsman was completely used to this and then he would slip either a googly in the same place or put a big leggie down the legside quicker, confusing the batsman. good lad, keep up the work too mushy
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Posted: 26 January 2007 at 7:23am |
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i dont think kaneria is over rated coz he is bawling awsome rite now against SA so he is not over rated
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dont mess with us...... sana rulz
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Posted: 26 January 2007 at 6:20pm |
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yeh looks like he bowled well again today
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