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    Posted: 15 November 2009 at 11:22am
Will Tendulkar finish with the most test runs and stay ahead or is ponting or even graeme smith who has 6 and a half thousand runs at 28 reach the top?
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Smith isn't a 'run machine'. More games doesn't mean more runs.
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Punter is 1 year 7 months younger and 1500 runs behind than Sachin.Now it's tougher than a complex imaginary equation to explain.Only time will tell

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Difficult to say this, Sachin may not retire soon, while Ponting may retire a little early, but then AUS play more tests than IND in a calender year... If I were to guess, I'd say Sachin will remain at the top.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bladescape Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 November 2009 at 5:34am
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

Difficult to say this, Sachin may not retire soon, while Ponting may retire a little early, but then AUS play more tests than IND in a calender year... If I were to guess, I'd say Sachin will remain at the top.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 November 2009 at 9:04am
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Difficult to say this, Sachin may not retire soon, while Ponting may retire a little early, but then AUS play more tests than IND in a calender year... If I were to guess, I'd say Sachin will remain at the top.


Ponting has no intention to retire in tests. He has indicated that he wants to play the Ashes in 2013 in England, which is 4 years away. Will Sachin still be around then? He'll be 40 years of age and for all we know Ponting will play til 2015.
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When Sachin will be 40 years , Punter will be 38.5 years.Can Ponting and Sachin keep their slot at later stages is a big question.It is not that easy to answer it,it may seem easy that they will play as long as they want.As they approach 38's ..their fitness counts a lot, need to be rock solid internally and mentally.

Sachin has slight advantage in two things, 1. not too many tests Indians play 2. Indian board would not put pressure on Sachin if his returns are a bit less,on other hand CA is not that liberal.Had Waughs, Taylor, Hayden, Gilchrist been Indian players they could have extended by a year or two.The backup talent pushes hard in Australia.
 
Punter will not be playing when he is 38 is my guess,but you never know.I feel punter has got 3 years max in any form.
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If India plays less tests then Sachin won't play as many tests right? Hence less chance to make runs. Ponting could play 35 tests in the next 3 yrs (and he wouldn't have his 38 yet) while Sachin may only play 23 and would be almost 40. You logic is totally off mate.
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Ponting says he wants one last crack at the ashes in england. I think he should retain his form enough to be able to make that tour. It is quite concievable that aus could play 40 tests by then. Tendulkar says he wants to win the world cup for india in 2011 which he may well do. I get the impression though that if he makes that world cup he will call it quits win loose or draw. The problem is as milkman has suggested is that india dont play as many tests as aus. Its looking like ponting but will be interesting to see who finishes on top. Smith has crept up too. Hes 28 and can play on for at least another 8 years. He already has 6500 runs which could see him slightly ahead of either tendy or punter. Granted he is no run machine and seems to miss an awfull lot of matches but I still think he has a chance. I am dissappointed to see gibbs out of test cricket too. He had flair and was good to watch.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 November 2009 at 12:45pm
Raj actually nailed himself on this one... he said Sachin will play longer than Ponting because India play less tests. It's irrelevant how long you play, it's about how many innings you can play so as to make runs!!!!!!
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Yes actually if india did play more tests, as many as aus for example tendy could be way out of pontings reach. There was a period a while back when india only played on average about 5 tests per year compared to aus s 12. If not for this tendy could have over 14 000 by now. Ponting will come close on the fact he plays more innings. Also if hatden was never dropped when he initially was he could have been close too.
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The more you play after certain age more likely you are getting injured mate.Aussies calender is much tighter than Indians.Sachin on the other hand is choosing certin ODI series , does not play T20I.Yes Sachin will play less compared to punter in same duration,but Indians are likely to play 2 innings in a match, Aussies 1 innings is sufficient many a times.What we are doing is speculating things, we will never know how actually things will pan out.

We are thinking in terms of Punter and Sachin, Look at Jac he is the dark horse according to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 November 2009 at 1:06pm
More games means more injuries. Sachin may have retired had he played ~12 tests a year... that would mean in his 20 year career ~240 possible tests.
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Ponting isn't in his run machine form guys, that's another thing to take into consideration and Raj has a point.  The Aussies selectors don't care who you are, when they think your time is up, it is up.  Ponting will be under a bit more pressure than Sachin in that regard!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote punterrulz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2009 at 4:02am
All good points. Tendulkar may certainly have not been around now had india had a tighter scheudle. The limited number of games india play has certainly helped him. Ponting on the other hand hasent been too effected with injuries considering the amount of cricket he plays. Sachin is definitely more injury prone. Yes and also india do bat more often in tests then australia and yes the aus selectors are ruthless. Names and reputation seem to mean nothing to them. I understand that to a point but not to the point it is hammered home by the aus selectors. ponting would need to retain his current form with no real drops untill the 2013 ashes for him to remain in the team. Any drop in form could see the media and selectors dismiss him as ruthlessly as many others in the past. What is this aus obsession with negativity? why must the slightest drop in form result in doomsday predictions?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2009 at 4:18am
Spin is wrong. Hussey played 16 tests without a ton, Mark Taylor played 12 tests without a ton, Steve and Mark Waugh were both  way past it and were still given an extended run. Hayden couldn't buy a ton and realised he was letting the team down and retired - I think that was different.  Ponting won't be dropped at a whim, I can guarantee that.
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Yes mark had definitely had it when he was booted. Steve was given an extended stay cos of his captaincy and more intact batting abilities. Even though pontings by far and away the best batsmen in the team I can see questions and pressure every time he has a failure. I hope you are right about ponting as aus will miss him greatkly when he goes but Im not sure that the selectors realise this. Clarke is being groomed constantly but im not sure he will ever be a ponting with bat or as captain. Ponting is holding that team together in my opinion and if he goes I hate to think.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2009 at 4:51am
Ponting has also indicated that he would continue playing if captaincy removed from him. He`s not a selfish cricketer by all means and he wants to play for a long, long time.
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I agree. He just loves the game. Alot of players so they are not selfish but in pontings case I genuinly believe it. Loves to bat and play for aus, his personal record is of little value to him.
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All i'm saying is milkman, Ponting better keep his form, Hayden would have been discarded hadn't he called it a day, no doubt about that.  I know he won't be dropped right away, the Aussie selectors aren't as brainless as the Windies own for example.
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No but close to it. How else do you explain some of their selections during the ashes? Im still dissappointed in the west indian selectors for dropping richards before the 92 world cup and showing lara the door after his magnificant tour of pakistan in 07. Incredulous!
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It will be tight. Ponting still has Lara to get past who is about 800 runs ahead and Dravid is slowly catching up to him (only 218 runs behind and in very good form) but India only has 5-6 more Tests in the next year which is sad . But time wise and innings wise, Ponting has more than Tendulkar so he will prob cross him in runs and maybe even centuries.
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What if little master keeps playing only in tests after 2011 worldcup.I don't see any reason why he will stop playing tests.Gavasker has been saying Tendulkar can easily play till 40.
 
If tendulkar plays till 40, then forget about catching him on runs or centuries by any player in future.
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Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

What if little master keeps playing only in tests after 2011 worldcup.I don't see any reason why he will stop playing tests.Gavasker has been saying Tendulkar can easily play till 40.
 

If tendulkar plays till 40, then forget about catching him on runs or centuries by any player in future.


I think there are two people going overboard here.
I don't think Ponting will pass Tendulkar,but I don't think that Tendulkar will be 'unpassable'.
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Tendulkar will certainly be unpassable if he plays till 40. You wont see many test players playing for as long as 20 years in the future.
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Zuhair has a point there, players break down way to easily nowadays!  Look at Jerome Taylor, he can't play one series and go back the sameway he came!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2009 at 12:36pm
A lot of them would have still played 20 years back. They physios and what not are telling them they are injured but the player is still fit enough to play. They are to precautious these days.
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But overall, injuries are much much more common nowadays and not just minor ones but major ones more than once a year. And they affect the top players more often too. Example: Zaheer Khan, Pietersen, Flintoff, Bond. The greats who began their careers in the 90s are among the fittest I've seen even at their current age. Dravid, Tendulkar, Kallis, Ponting, Murli, McGrath, Jayasuriya are perfect examples.
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Does longevity mean greatness ?  Yes , the guys at the top of the test runs list are fine players , but I still think there were players of the highest class that aren't anywhere in that list!
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No it doesn't mean greatness Sledge. And I think nobody here made it a point either. But to be on the stage for so long does indicate you have to be a very fine player. Fitness and longevity have to be given their due share when judging players.
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