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    Posted: 15 July 2007 at 7:30am
Not a quiz, but somewhere to ask obscure or odd trivia questions...........

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Why do batsmen notch up runs, where does that saying come from?
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Up until the 19th Century umpires carried bats whilst officiating and the umpire at the striking end stood only a few paces from the wicket - why might this be?
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Dot balls, why do they call them dot balls?
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Why is a wicket made up of three stumps?
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Originally posted by W.G.

Dot balls, why do they call them dot balls?


No doubt because they are marked in the scorebook as dots.

edit: hasn't there been a thread like this before, where people asked stuff like "why when you score zero is it called a duck?"


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Originally posted by NZ_Fast

edit: hasn't there been a thread like this before, where people asked stuff like "why when you score zero is it called a duck?"
In a likelihood yes, as there is nothing new under the sun - your point being?

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I'm not asking questions I don't know the answer to though LOL


Edited by W.G. - 15 July 2007 at 7:54am
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No doubt because they are marked in the scorebook as dots.
Yes, but why dots?

Clue - this is related to the notching up question.
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What's the connection between the laws of cricket and those of tennis?
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Originally posted by W.G.

Why is a wicket made up of three stumps?


I read this somewhere, although I can't remember where. Something about when the game cricket was introduced the wicket was orginally a 3 legged stool, thus 3 wickets.
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Re: dots and notching; presumably an early way of keeping score was by a scorer, or maybe even the umpire making a notch on a piece of wood, which would appear to be like little dots?
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Originally posted by MP12

Originally posted by W.G.

Why is a wicket made up of three stumps?


I read this somewhere, although I can't remember where. Something about when the game cricket was introduced the wicket was orginally a 3 legged stool, thus 3 wickets.


I thought originally only 2 stumps were used - maybe a 3rd was introduced to stop the batsmen getting let-offs when the ball went through the middle?
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Clobber's pretty much right. There were originally 2 stumps but original (under arm) bowlers became more accurate and the ball kept going between the 2.
To solve this they added an extra notch in the bails and cut them into 2 pieces and added a middle stump.
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Not to be rude, but aren't these answers easily accessible on a google search or in wikipedia or something... it does seem rather nonsensical... although the kids enjoy it Tongue

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shut up cricketluva, they are interesting facts, to wow your friends with.
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yeah shut up cricket luva go an do some sheep farmin if you have to have a go at someone trying to do somethin fun.
 
an ill have ya know that w.g is older than you (and fatter) so 2 reasons to shut up there
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Originally posted by wolves f c1

to wow your friends with.
 
Guys leave him alone, WE wow our friends, but when I posted this, I fogot that he doesn't have any.


Edited by wolves f c1 - 15 July 2007 at 8:34pm
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WG, what are the answers mate??
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youre starting to develop a cruel harsh but hilarious side to yourself wolves
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I think -JP- is spot on with notching up and dot balls
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Originally posted by wolves f c1

shut up cricketluva.


what he said
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Post Options Post Options   Quote W.G. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 July 2007 at 6:49am
JP's pretty much on the button with dots and notches.  In the 17th and early 18th centuries cricket was scored on village greens by people who were largely illiterate.  Individual batsmen's scores were kept with a series of notches for runs scored on a stick, hence notching up runs.  Bowlers' stats were similarly recorded as notched runs against and smaller indentations (dots) for runless deliveries, hence dot balls.  This scoring methodology is still with us today in the way runs are recorded on cricket scorecards.
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Originally posted by W.G.

Up until the 19th Century umpires carried bats whilst officiating and the umpire at the striking end stood only a few paces from the wicket - why might this be?
The early pitches had no crease markings and the matter of whether or not a batsman was in before a wicket was broken needed to be settled.  Umpires carried bats which they would hold horizontally above the wicket, a run was considered complete only if the batsman tapped the umpire's bat with his own, in the same way the bat must be grounded within the crease in the modern game.  There is a wonderful early painting depicting this in the Long Room at Lord's.
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Why is a wicket made up of three stumps?
Originally posted by The Tyke

Clobber's pretty much right. There were originally 2 stumps but original (under arm) bowlers became more accurate and the ball kept going between the 2.
To solve this they added an extra notch in the bails and cut them into 2 pieces and added a middle stump.
What he said.  With up to a 1000 guineas riding on a match in the 18th century, punters could be greatly angered at any sense of injustice.  Betting on the outcome of cricket matches rivalled that of horse racing and the design of the stumps favoured the batsman, thus in 1775 after much upset from punters following the outcome of a match between Hambledon and England at the Artillery Ground in London.  This was a single wicket match with a 100 guinea purse (we've got lots to learn about making cricket exciting) and Lumpy Stevens passed the ball through the wicket three times, with Hambledon going on to chase down England's total.

Oh the pressure of the gambling fraternity!
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Originally posted by W.G.

What's the connection between the laws of cricket and those of tennis?
The MCC, ever obsessed with command and control, watched with interest the development of Lawn Tennis from the traditional game of Real (Royal) Tennis {there remains a real tennis court at Lord's, one of only 48 in the world}.  They decided it needed a set of rules and these were agreed at Lord's in 1875 century.  The MCC, however, had neither the inclination nor the capacity to administer the new sport and the laws were offered to the failing All England Croquet Club.
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What was remarkable about the first Australian team to tour England?
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Why is the Nursery End at Lord's so called?
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What does a lady's dress have to do with the development of roundarm bowling and, therefore, the modern overarm technique?
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Some sports take the Ronseal (does what is says on the tin) approach with their names.  Football = obvious.  Others have some deep sense of tradition defining the name of the sport.  Rugby = school where game first played.  For some the origin of the name of the sport is more obscure. 

Go on then, why is cricket called cricket?
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Originally posted by Monty

an ill have ya know that w.g is older than you (and fatter) so 2 reasons to shut up there
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Originally posted by W.G.

What does a lady's dress have to do with the development of roundarm bowling and, therefore, the modern overarm technique?


at a guess, does it have to do with a lady not being able to bowl underarm as her hand was getting caught up in the bell shaped skirt style of yore, hence adapting her style?
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