Out or Not Out?

I've two questions to ask about whether this would be out or not out?

I think for no.2 the batsman is considered out as soon as the bails are dislodged regardless of wether they land back on the stumps.  Also I'm fairly sure the ball is called dead as soon as a wicket falls so i'd say out.

2. I'm almost entirely sure that means one of the bails leaving contact with the stumps means out. if it leaves contact and then resettles on the stumps my understanding is that it would still be out as it is out from the time contact is removed from the stumps.

As for a ball going through the stumps without knocking off the bails ... erm no. the times I have seen that the bails have gone flying.

Hmm well I seem to be applying some common sense to it, your saying if the bail goes flying off and lands back on the stumps then it is not out ?

Sounds like a very odd rule, if I bowled someone and it got given not out due to a freak accident I wouldn't be massivly but rules are rules. 

Originally posted by 143no A side question, how many of you have seen a ball go through the stumps without dislodging the bails? I have seen it twice and still shake my head about it.

  I remember it happening to Pat Symcox in a test on the subcontinent - boy , did he laugh!!

Thanks Sledger.

Originally posted by dips_december I got one question too, here it goes : The wicket-keeper dislogdes the bails for a stumping but the batsmen's feet go out or above(whichever the case) only after the bails are broken . In that case is he out or not out ?

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but that's not out, however, I think the Wicketkeeper would then (attempt to) remove the stump from the ground(using the ball), which would then be out?
Feel free to murder me if I'm talking hogwash, I could have sworn that was the rule to do with running out/stumping a batsman whos bails have already been removed.

if a batsmans hat/helmet falls off on to the stumps from a ball hitting it, is that out?

Edited by 70_degree_spin - 09 April 2007 at 9:03pm

Yes for number 1 the striker is out. In 2005/06 season Andrew Symonds cracked one back down the pitch, deflected off Michael Clarke's pad and was caught at mid-wicket by Mahela Jayawardene.

Hi there,

In the first case, the batsman at the striker's end is out.

In the second case, batsman is not out, bails or/and stumps should move from normal position to make a batsman out.

what would happen, if the wicket was so muddy that when the ball was bowled it just stopped and stuck in the ground, would it be a no-ball/dead ball and would the batsmen still be allowed to hit it?

Originally posted by Pietersen Fan what would happen, if the wicket was so muddy that when the ball was bowled it just stopped and stuck in the ground, would it be a no-ball/dead ball and would the batsmen still be allowed to hit it?

I find these 'opinions' on matters that are clearly set out in the laws of the game quite interesting.  In this case there is no debate as Law 28 is quite clear:

28.1. Wicket put down

(a) The wicket is put down if a bail is completely removed from the top of the stumps, or a stump is struck out of the ground by
(i) the ball.
(ii) the striker's bat, whether he is holding it or has let go of it.
(iii) the striker's person or by any part of his clothing or equipment becoming detached from his person.
(iv) a fielder, with his hand or arm, providing that the ball is held in the hand or hands so used, or in the hand of the arm so used.
The wicket is also put down if a fielder pulls a stump out of the ground in the same manner.

(b) The disturbance of a bail, whether temporary or not, shall not constitute its complete removal from the top of the stumps, but if a bail in falling lodges between two of the stumps this shall be regarded as complete removal.

That, presumably, is why the laws are freely available on-line with full guidance on their interpretation.  I'm sorry, but ignorance of the laws is inexcusable if you really want to play the game.