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Making this topic now because Pakistan have just named their T20 & Test squads - no Mohammad Yousuf or Kamran Akmal in either but Younus Khan returns and Ahmed Shehzad is in the T20 squad.
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Pakistan T20I squad: Shahid Afridi (captain), Mohammad Hafeez, Ahmed Shehzad, Younus Khan, Umar Akmal, Fawad Alam, Adnan Akmal, Saeed Ajmal, Abdur Rehman, Abdul Razzaq, Umar Gul, Shoaib Akhtar, Tanvir Ahmed, Sohail Tanvir, Wahab Riaz Pakistan Test squad: Misbah-ul-Haq (captain), Mohammad Hafeez, Taufeeq Umar, Younus Khan, Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Umar Akmal, Adnan Akmal, Saeed Ajmal, Abdur Rehman, Umar Gul, Tanvir Ahmed, Sohail Tanvir, Wahab Riaz |
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Good to see Pakistan get a long schedule, although another test instead of a T20 and one of the ODI's would have been much more terrific.
Is Yousuf still injured?
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Depends who you ask - Yousuf would say no, Rana Naved and the PCB would probably say yes!
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Kamran, Malik and Danish have not been picked once again despite brilliant showings at the domestic level, it certainly has a lot to do with the ICC and other non-cricket related issues... PAK will go nowhere with such a slavish attitude.
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Oh my, just when you think Pakistan can't get in anymore trouble, more news have surfaced again with spot-fixing, this time, the 4 names that went unknown came up as Kamran Akmal, Umar Akmal, Wahab Riaz and Imran Farhat.
Tape showed Majeed saying he's not interested in Younus, Afridi, Razzaq and Ajmal because they don't have much time left, although Ajmal would be hard to get to because he's too religious.
Was that the reason why Akmal has been keeping so foolishly since 2006? Is that the reason for Umar Akmal apparent loss in form all of a sudden and some wreckless shots in the pass? Is that the reason why Farhat seems to always drop the easiest of catches at slips?
Whether or not these are allegations, they do fit together perfectly as solid evidence to me!!
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I completely agree. And as the teams are fairly even, it'll make for a good tour. I think your allegations might be a bit too hard especially the number of players you've mentioned but overall, the team is slacking off a bit. Still, I doubt any player likes to be out of form whether or not he is guaranteed a spot in the team |
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Yousuf ain't injured - Mohsin Khan thinks Yousuf despite being great is not the fittest so he has decided not to pick him. It pretty much says curtains for Yousuf as he does not seem to be in the WC plans.
Pakistan seems to be heading towards disaster, as by the look of things they are closing on the WC squad and a WC squad without Yousuf and more importantly Kamran Akmal and Shoaib Malik in sub continent conditions is absolutely foolish. Malik and Akmal have been scoring heavily in the domestic season which is going on currently. Not sure it has much to do with the ICC as they have given the written clearance, I very much think it is Afridi's growing influence in the team and his personal problems with Akmal and Malik are not hidden. Kaneria should also have been picked for the test matches. It is going no where for Pakistan. Can't believe Ijaz Butt still holds his office, but then, our president still does too. |
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3 T20's 6 ODI's and just 2 tests - cricket's lost the plot.
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It was initially 2 T20s, 5 ODIs and 3 tests - but the PCB and NZC wanted to have more money - and test cricket between two sides at the bottom of the rankings would not have given them that. Pity.
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It is a pity and the question has to be asked - are the test players losing out financially to the limited overs players nowadays ? They must be and that can't be right !
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Yes they are. No doubt about that. Test players still do get handsome match fees - but you play 2 ODIs and you have made more money than one who has played five days of test match cricket.
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Cricket is becoming silly - the labourers earning more than the artisans.
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But a lot has to do with the audience and the TV rights too Sledge. Everything is commercial and paying more for a 5-day match in most parts makes less commercial sense.
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True mate , I'd make it compulsory at school for all kids to watch at least 1 5 day test per season - that'd get them out of that one day tosh !
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Haha, that's funny. Sadly though, with no Cricket in Pakistan, that effort might have to be a compulsory lesson on learning how not to cause crimes.
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I think they did that for WC practice guys.
Anyways, just two months to go for the WC... Who cares about The Ashes, who cares about what will happen in RSA and NZL, the only thing that matters to me now is the biggest event of them all... need to support PAK wholeheartedly, hopefully some of the senior players will make it to the squad... just hoping for as good a playing eleven as possible really and from then on it's all about going for it! Go Pakistan Go!!! by the way, it hurts me so much when I hear this: "Aamer is the best young bowling talent in the world. I have seen him closely and I can say he is streets ahead of Wasim Akram. "Without these two bowlers, our attack is not potent."- Imran Khan at WC promotional event in India. |
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Foolish statement from one of the finest All rounder is all I can say Sam. Ameer has played 11 of 14 matches in fast bowling friendly conditions and yet averaging almost 30. On Srilankan pitches (though he has played very less), is averaging 45.
How can he even think of comparing with a legend.
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Honestly I was surprised to hear this too Kiran, but then Imran is a man who recognizes talent very very quickly, it is said that he hand picked players like Wasim and Inzaman at a very young age because of the talent he saw in them. Also Kiran way back when no one even knew Aamer, it was Wasim himself who saw this guy and said that he is the one to watch out for... I remember at that time I asked on this very forum about him and it was Zuhair who gave us all a little insight on Aamer. |
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I don;t think Imran was foolish. I do believe Aamir is way better than what Wasim was at this age. e has improved all the time and his absence is the biggest loss.
Sam, on the World Cup hopes, i don't have much. The inside news is that the PCB will not pick Malik and Kamran Akmal for the WC. The other three are already facing a case. Pakistan will be lucky to make it any further than the second round. |
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whatever is happening out there is not good for the PCB and Pakistan cricket Zuhair and I'm worried that by the time PCB realizes this it might be too late, PCB's thinking that by abiding to whatever the ICC says they'll become good in their eyes is a very foolish thinking.
Without Kamran and Malik whatever little hopes are there will also be vanished.At the very least I hope Nazir gets selected because he can set the tone at the top of the order in the absence of Kamran, I'm no Nazir fan but I understand that at the moment he should accompany Hafeez. |
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They will probably open with Afridi. A Pakistan WC squad in sub-continent conditions without Yousuf, Malik, Akmal, But and Aamer tells me we will have to wait another four years to even stand a chance.
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yes even I have heard those rumors about Afridi opening, not a bad idea actually, but for some reason my intuition is that if given a go Nazir will set things on fire in the sub continent. I also think that Wahab Riaz will be one of the best bowlers in the WC.
PCB may go with this: Hafeez, Afridi, Younus, Shafiq, Misbah, Umer A, Fawad, Riaz, Gul, Ajmal, Akhtar... Sohail T, Abdur Rahman, Ahmed Shehzad, Rana Naved. Edited by sam_ahmed - 11 December 2010 at 8:46am |
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They'd play a keeper too and from what we have seen they are not to keen to ask Shafiq to take the gloves. So yes, Akmal will be behind the wickets with gloves on, but sadly not the one we want.
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sorry for posting this here, but couldn't find another place.
Butt's interview to Sky Sports will be aired today in UK I think and apparently the statement making news is that he claims that 11,000 pounds were a part of the daily allowances given to the players by the PCB and since he was the captain he was given an extra allowance of 4,500 pounds. Now if this is true then the PCB should be able to back this up because they would know how much they give to their players. Simple isn't it? Now it was a very long tour started sometime July and was to end in September so yes the allowances might be high for a player who was supposed to be a part of all the squads. It was more than 60 days tour I think. Edited by sam_ahmed - 13 December 2010 at 5:44pm |
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apparently Sohail Tanvir took 9 wickets in a domestic game and bowled 28 overs in the match after he was withdrawn from the squad to NZL because of a knee injury!
Now then, do they have an agenda against Tanvir too?
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He just isn't good enough methinks. He can probably make it to the Indian bowling line up though.
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sam_ahmed
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I think in the current set up he fits in Zuhair, given the departure of two lead bowlers.
Poor start for PAK to the tour, lost by 5 wickets to Auckland! As of now I will not be too much worried about it though, we will have to see how they go whe the real thing starts.
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I wouldn't read too much into Pakistan losing to Auckland. The Pakistan players certainly didn't seem to take it all that seriously. Auckland are a very handy side (with a couple of players unlucky not to have an international call up yet).
This is somewhat of an interesting series for the players of both teams with them trying to earn back some respect, but for entirely different reasons. However, the supporters here in NZ seem to be rather lackluster in their excitement for this series. |
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It is an important series with the world cup just around the corner. I've been surprised by the poor cricket played by New Zealand in their last series - they seemed to lack fight , something they usually have in abundance. Pakistan also need a good showing , but for other reasons - their standing in world cricket is at an alltime low.
I'll be keeping an eye on this , but there are other pressing matters elsewhere where my full attention will be focussed ! |
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I think NZL have an edge in the absence of Pakistani premier bowlers especially when they are playing at home. I predict a NZL victory in all formats.
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