Pakistan in West Indies

   West Indies drop Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul from the ODI outfit.  Marlon Samuels makes a comeback to the arena after being banned for 2 years for giving out information to a bookie!

Reason being given is that they're building a new core of players to try and win the 2015 World Cup.  Make no mistake, the main reason is that the management is getting fedup of the attitude of Gayle and Sarwan more than anything.

Chanderpaul's dropping I can live with, his days have eluded him in the last year or so in the shorter format!!

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spin wizard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Opening Bowler The world�s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Posts: 9453	Topic: Pakistan in West Indies Posted: 14 April 2011 at 1:56pm
	West Indies drop Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul from the ODI outfit. Marlon Samuels makes a comeback to the arena after being banned for 2 years for giving out information to a bookie! Reason being given is that they're building a new core of players to try and win the 2015 World Cup. Make no mistake, the main reason is that the management is getting fedup of the attitude of Gayle and Sarwan more than anything. Chanderpaul's dropping I can live with, his days have eluded him in the last year or so in the shorter format!!
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sam_ahmed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Middle-Order Batsman Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 4363	Posted: 14 April 2011 at 5:20pm
	That is a sad decision, but keeping in mind the long term future of the team I think it is about time the WICB looks to build a team for the future. They are losing anyways, so a good investment here in some talented players which can give them good rewards in the future will surely be the right way to go.
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vote4peace Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Square Leg Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Posts: 380	Posted: 15 April 2011 at 9:58am
	Why is Pollard not in the team?? And I hear Dwayne Bravo will be skipping the test series to play the IPL?? Tell that ain't true please. How did the WICB come to terms with it?
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zuhair_abbasi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Number 3 Batsman Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6202	Posted: 15 April 2011 at 10:45am
	Pollard did not sign the central contract and Bravo did not either. So they can basically pick and choose when to play and when not to play. Money talks louder than we think.

sam_ahmed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Middle-Order Batsman Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 4363	Posted: 16 April 2011 at 11:29am
	That is the reason why WI haven't progressed much in last few years, their players are always running for money rather than playing for their country. sad. Pak should win both the Test and ODI series, I'd say 4-1, 1-0 to Pak in ODI's and tests respectively. T20's I do not predict.
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sam_ahmed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Middle-Order Batsman Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 4363	Posted: 20 April 2011 at 6:20pm
	Good start to the tour for Pakistan, Hafeez scoring a century and some runs there for Shahzad and Umer Akmal as well, the bowlers did their job pretty well too. they need to keep up the good work throughout the series though, WI are still a good side and should not be taken lightly.
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zuhair_abbasi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Number 3 Batsman Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6202	Posted: 21 April 2011 at 7:00am
	I can't recall when was the build up so low in Pakistan - I will be watching though. Expect my team to do good. Glad there are many youngsters who will get ample chances to prove their worth.

Sledger Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Dickenson can marry my mother-in-law ! Joined: 08 August 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 15694	Posted: 21 April 2011 at 8:37am
	Chris Gayle's love of money has shown itself quite clearly - the IPL over his country's needs. It's all so disappointing that such a talent cares so little for West Indies cricket. The selectors must stand fast now and never pick him again - no player should be allowed to pick and choose when they represent their country - and I don't care if they are the best player in the country.
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zuhair_abbasi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Number 3 Batsman Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6202	Posted: 21 April 2011 at 11:07am
	And I am afraid this list will grow stronger - Malinga's case is a prime example - he wrote to the Board that he is unfit and nursing an injury and opted out of test series against the England. But he continues to play for his IPL team. Disgrace. This is what most of us feared when IPL started - and the fears have come true I am afraid.

Mikey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List First Slip Joined: 28 March 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 949	Posted: 21 April 2011 at 2:34pm
	It happened in football and now it's happening in cricket. That's domestic competition and money for you. These guys are paid pro rata, more games = more dollars. How much national pride is there representing the West Indies, since you're not just representing your nation but others in the region too.

sam_ahmed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Middle-Order Batsman Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 4363	Posted: 21 April 2011 at 5:49pm
	yes, what is going on between SLC and the BCCI is quite a very sad situation where in the srilankan board is struggling to get back it's own players. The IPL has been great for Indian stars but for other countries it has been a cause of concern, I cannot remember any edition where in we haven't had this country v IPL debate. Moreover players who have always stayed away from the IUPL have really flourished, Andrew Strauss, Hashim Amla, Michael Clarke, Tamim Iqbal, Jonathan Trott and Brendon Taylor, are just some of the examples of players who have excelled by staying away from this circus.
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MalhotraRaj84 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Opener Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Posts: 2204	Posted: 22 April 2011 at 7:35am
	A fine spell by Devendra Bishoo.He showed glimpses of his talent in WC. In the only T20I, the usual suspects Bravo and Umer lived up to their expectations. It will be interesting to see how WI play , they don't have more than half of their regulars.Without Pollard,Sarwan,Chanders and Gayle. When will Edwards and Taylor be back full time. I will be very much happy if Samuels lives up to the potential he always had. Hope he delivers in every match this tournament. Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 22 April 2011 at 7:37am
	Race to No 1 again ... started!

zuhair_abbasi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Number 3 Batsman Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6202	Posted: 22 April 2011 at 8:07am
	Good effort by the fresh look team. Good to see the young West Indies team playing with confidence. Moreover, looking at Afridi's body language, it was cleat he did not want to be there. His mind wasn't there - it will be a long hard series for him and I think he will quit midway.

sam_ahmed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Middle-Order Batsman Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 4363	Posted: 22 April 2011 at 5:32pm
	It was indeed a very good performance by young WI players, and I really am happy for them, at the same time I hope PAK get their combination right for the ODI's because the balance was clearly missing yesterday, so many bowlers and a very long tail. ODI's and Tests will surely test this young westindian team though and I won't be surprised if some of the big names return for the big series against India. PAK need not worry about what happened yesterday, anything can happen in T20's but if they lose any more than 1 ODI, it will be cause of concern. I would like to see Hammad Azam play tomorrow in place of Ajmal. The balance Razzaq provided is very noticeable now and is missing big time.
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zuhair_abbasi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Number 3 Batsman Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6202	Posted: 23 April 2011 at 7:47am
	This may well be Afridi's last series as a skipper - and that would not be a bad thing to happen. Razzaq will be back again at some point. I would want to see Malik in the squad - and him or Hafeez leading.

sam_ahmed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Middle-Order Batsman Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 4363	Posted: 23 April 2011 at 8:01am
	PAK should win this series Zuhair and I don't think Afridi will go as long as PAK are winning. He is 31 and can be around till the next WC, so as of now I'm OK with Afridi being in the team but yes, I'd also love to see Malik back at the helm, however, I don't think there are many in the PCB or for that matter in the team who like to see him lead, so it looks unlikely. Problem with PAK at the moment is they do not have a young guy like Butt who is ready for captaincy, so Afridi looks the only option for the moment, in the long run, depending upon how their leadership qualities are, I think Asad Shafiq or Umer Akmal will be two good contenders for the job. One thing is for sure, Asad Shafiq looks to be a real find for PAK, he and Umer Akmal are two players, I think, we are going to see a lot of in the future. I still have high hopes on Ahmed Shahzad. on WI, they certainly have much more depth than what most of us think they have which is great news for WI and world cricket. At least now the WICB and the WIPA need to sort out all their internal differences because this team promises a lot and they should not ruin them again.
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zuhair_abbasi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Number 3 Batsman Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6202	Posted: 23 April 2011 at 9:16am
	[QUOTE=sam_ahmed] Problem with PAK at the moment is they do not have a young guy like Butt That is not the problem Sam - that is actually a good thing that we no more have guys like him.

sam_ahmed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Middle-Order Batsman Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 4363	Posted: 23 April 2011 at 2:56pm
	what I meant was a young guy ready for captaincy Zuhair, not corrupt though! WI off to a good start here, PAK batsmen will have a lot of work to do should WI reach anywhere around 250-260.
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sam_ahmed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Middle-Order Batsman Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 4363	Posted: 24 April 2011 at 7:59am
	very easy win for Pakistan, the longer the game, the weaker the WI get because of the inexperience in their line up. PAK should keep their focus though, they have a real good chance of winning their 2nd bilateral series in a row. Asad looked really good again and Misbah can play as long as he is performing this well.
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zuhair_abbasi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Number 3 Batsman Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6202	Posted: 26 April 2011 at 6:50am
	West Indies bowling is toothless - of the 5 wickets they have taken so far in the series - 4 have been by Bishoo and the other one was run out. No other bowler ever looked like taking a wicket. I am impressed by the young Bishoo - looking forwards to see him in the tests matches - he will be a real handful.

spin wizard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Opening Bowler The world�s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Posts: 9453	Posted: 26 April 2011 at 1:23pm
	Darren Sammy in the team is causing a lot of in balance in the team. Since he took over the captaincy his game has even took a downward path. His bowling was usually more economical and picking the odd wicket here and there. His batting has got even worse and Bravo is no longer the all rounder he was. He's currently leaking runs and could hardly muster any sort of runs. Him going off to the IPL for the test series could actually be more beneficial to the West Indies! Gayle though has been the biggest loss, sad to say, but I reckon those Pakistani pacers on that St. Lucian deck would have taken a pounding - that pitch was just too flat, which shows how awful the Windies batting has been! They have absolutely no clue against Ajmal (also makes you wonder how Rehman ever got to play ahead of him). Anyhow, the saga in Windies crickt will always go on. Gayle is talking about he got dropped and saw what happen to the other senior players and he had no choice etc - while that maybe true, Gayle always had intentions of being in the IPL so I don't know what the fuss is all about. He did say he had wanted to take a break from Cricket and play in the IPL. The CEO treatment towards him has been harsh in some instances, like telling him that they wouldn't have carried him to the WC if he hadn't sign the contract - that's ridiculous from a CEO, Gayle is a big man, if he don't want to sign contract, then so be it, just mean that he misses out on the benefit of it!
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vote4peace Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Square Leg Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Posts: 380	Posted: 26 April 2011 at 4:20pm
	Young Bishoo continues to impress. Pak has done well to go up 2-0. Haven't watched the series so far, but if what Zuhair says is true about Afridi being uninterested then he must be made to pay. Hafeez I reckon could be next in line. From what I've heard, he's referred to as the professor among his teammates for his astute cricket brain.
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vote4peace Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Square Leg Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Posts: 380	Posted: 26 April 2011 at 4:35pm
	The Gayle saga continues to get murkier by the day. No point blaming the IPL for that. The BCCI has given the power to every individual board to decide whether or not their player can play in the IPL. Why the WICB had given Gayle the NOC required to play the IPL in spite of all that had occurred is totally perplexing.
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sam_ahmed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Middle-Order Batsman Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 4363	Posted: 26 April 2011 at 5:52pm
	firstly I'm very happy to see Shahzad score his 2nd ODI ton... have been saying since long that he is a fine player and I see a lot more to come from him. Good to have spinny back, he posts very less these days, and coming to WI cricket, well you have Gayle murdering bowlers here in IPL, Taylor getting batsmen out and Pollard doing a fine all round job for Mumbai Indians. Certainly the WI cricket is down because of all the differences between the board and the players. I cannot see them beat PAK, and if the same team plays then India, no matter how many senior players take rest, can still beat them easily. WI have got plenty of cricket in the coming days and a lot against the World Champions India, the sooner they get their best playing eleven, the better it is for them. Bishoo has indeed been a real find, and yes it is quite surprising that Abdur Rahman has actually played ahead of Ajmal in a lot of WC games, Ajmal is miles ahead of Abdur Rahman. by the way guys, I'm currently 3rd in the official ICC fantasy cricket league. for the next game I'm all confused whom to appoint as my batting capt. should I go with Shafiq? I'll go with Wahab as my bowling capt. any suggestions will be most welcome.
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zuhair_abbasi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Number 3 Batsman Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6202	Posted: 27 April 2011 at 6:38am
	Go with Ajmal as your bowling captain dude - no one has picked him up this series - Misbah is the safest bet for batting captain

Mikey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List First Slip Joined: 28 March 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 949	Posted: 27 April 2011 at 6:42am
	Shehzad is probably missing a high gear to be that useful against a more potent attack. This WI attack is pretty toothless and I've never seen so many spinners come out of the Caribbean. Jerome Taylor, Fidel Edwards and Kemar Roach (and Dwayne Bravo) MUST play for WI to have any serious chance, and they all need to be fit. You need fast bowlers to win tests, that's why Bangladesh keep losing and why WI have been losing for the last 10 years.

spin wizard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Opening Bowler The world�s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Posts: 9453	Posted: 27 April 2011 at 3:36pm
	It is up to an individual player to up his game and someone like Sarwan is the biggest culprit of just relaxing. He hardly ever has any interest in the fitness routines because he feel he is indispensible. At least Gayle's test career has been superb for the last 2-3 years (performing in Aussie and NZ as well) while Sarwan has hardly ever had a good away series in his career. Chanderpaul deserved the ODI dropping, his game is too lethargic now for that format! The board maybe crap yes but the players way of going about their own game is even worse. For instance, you watch Devon Smith getting out to finger spinners bowling around the wicket with their arm ball, since 2009 he has been getting dismissed that way and can't even find a way to counter it? What does that tell you? Simply that he's not suppose to be playing the game. All good players learn from their errors and find a way to combat it. Jerome Taylor will find a way to break down again, that's why he's not in the side, his body is too fragile. And Fidel Edwards, hard headedness is why he's not in the squad. Disobeyed medical advice and played in the CL and got injured. He's lucky the board paid his medical bills! Also, the reason why Sammy really got the captaincy is to make the WIPA (players association) null. With a WICB yes man at the helm, strikes won't be in effect. Anyways, I think the batting will come good in time but a different bowling attack is needed and Sammy will have to eventually get dropped as well! Lastly, i'm learning some Urdu, soon i'll be able to conversate with Zuhair in his native language . Subha bakhair Zuhair. Edited by spin wizard - 27 April 2011 at 3:38pm
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sam_ahmed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Middle-Order Batsman Joined: 27 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 4363	Posted: 27 April 2011 at 5:48pm
	I cannot believe someone in the Caribbean even knows about Urdu let alone learning it! All the best Spinny, it happens to be my mother-tongue as well! Thanks for your suggestions Zuhair, I'll consider and take a call only after I see the toss and the pitch report! Thankfully I can access this game even from office.
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spin wizard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Opening Bowler The world�s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Posts: 9453	Posted: 27 April 2011 at 6:27pm
	Sam, I heard there are different type of urdus, like Iranian and Indian as some words, although the same may have different meaning? Any truth to that? Anyways, i'm learning the Pakistani version, and I know you're in love with all things Pakistani.
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zuhair_abbasi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Number 3 Batsman Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6202	Posted: 28 April 2011 at 7:07am
	That's great news Spinny!!! Subah bakhair!! and khush amdaid (wlecome) - the Iranian thing is not known as Urdu - that is Persian but Urdu does use a lot of Persian word. Great to know that Spinny - hopefully some day when Windies travel to Pakistan - I would love to have you here in my country!! Good luck with your Urdu learning mate.