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    Posted: 22 October 2009 at 6:45am
PAK takes on NZL in a series of 3 ODI's, 2 T20's and 3 tests in U.A.E and NZL. Lets use this thread for the entire series.
 
NZL have recalled Styris and Southee for the Limited overs series, while PAK are excpected to announce their team today. Rana, Misbah and Nazir are likely to be axed while Asif will be unavailable, Butt, Farhat and Wahab Riaz are likely to get back into the side, impressive young opener Umar Amin is also in line for selection.
 
 
Here is a list of Fixtures:
 
Tue Nov 3          
15:00 local
16:30 IST
1st ODI - Pakistan v New Zealand
Sheikh Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi
 
Fri Nov 6          
15:00 local
16:30 IST
2nd ODI - Pakistan v New Zealand
Sheikh Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi
 
Mon Nov 9          
15:00 local
16:30 IST
3rd ODI - Pakistan v New Zealand
Sheikh Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi
 
Thu Nov 12          
20:30 local
22:00 IST
1st T20I - Dubai Sports City Cricket Stadium
 
Fri Nov 13          
20:30 local
22:00 IST
2nd T20I - Dubai Sports City Cricket Stadium
 
Tue Nov 24 - Sat Nov 28
11:00 local
03:30 IST +1d
1st Test - New Zealand v Pakistan
University Oval, Dunedin
 
Thu Dec 3 - Mon Dec 7
11:00 local
03:30 IST +1d
2nd Test - New Zealand v Pakistan
Basin Reserve, Wellington
 
Fri Dec 11 - Tue Dec 15
11:00 local
03:30 IST +1d
3rd Test - New Zealand v Pakistan
McLean Park, Napier
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 6:53am
If they drop Misbah, this will definitely be the end of his career. Salman Butt will most likely return and will open with Akmal in one dayers and Fawad in tests. Umer Amin is a bright prospect and will give Butt a tough time for his spot.

Without Asif available - I do not think they will drop Rana yet. Rana can only be dropped if they decide to play Rao.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 7:14am
from what I read on an indian website yesterday Zuhair is that those three are likely to be axed and the selectors want to give chance to some of the younger players. Salman is almost certain to come back, Farhat might be chosen ahead of Umar Amin... Wahab Riaz is very likely to be given a go after impressive performances at domestic level.
 
Younus looks to be keen on not having Misbah in the side.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 7:20am
I would still have Misbah in my one day team any day ahead of Younus. Farhat is far too inconsistent for my likings. If they drop Misbah they should play Fawad - who has been deprived of opportunities till today.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 7:35am
The balance is still missing Zuhair... I'm never confortable with Afridi coming in at 7, I consider him to be a bowler who can slog. Unless both Fawad and Malik can bowl 10 overs between them, it'll be difficult to fit in Fawad.
 
Salman, Kamran, Younus, Yousuf, Malik, Umer, Afridi, Aamer, Gul, Rao Anjum, Ajmal. is likely to be the line up. Fawad can take Anjum's place if he can bowl along with Malik.
 
Farhat is still better than Nazir, but I don't rate him that highly either. rightly said he is very inconsistent and doesn't look like a big innings player.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 7:40am
True that. this is most probably going to be the line up for most of the tour - unless Butt fails. This team will be much more balanced if we have Razzaq back. But sadly he is not in the plans.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kirankri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 8:42am
Tests in NewZealand and Limited overs in UAE. So will it be a home series for NZ or Pakistan?
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Batting is a bit thin in my opinion. Afridi is just a slogger and plays a good knock once every 20 innings it seems. If they are keen on playing 2 frontline spinner then it means they have to play one less pacer. This problem could EASILY be fixed by replacing one of the fast men for Abdul Razzaq, who can actually play proper innings, score quicks runs at the end and bowl a full quota of overs.
My ODI side for PAK would look like this and with this order too:

1. Akmal (WK)
2. Butt
3. Shoaib Malik
4. Yousuf
5. Akmal, U
6. Younus/Misbah (I'd actually play Umar at 5. He's a strokemaker and a guy who can make tons on a regular basis. 6 is too low and when he is a permanent fixture in the side and an experienced member then he should be a no.3/4)
7. Abdul Razzaq
8. Afridi
9. Aamer
10. Asif (obviously he is not available, so you'd play a Rao or Rana instead)
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I will have Ajmal in this team for Gul. With Razzaq in I can drop Butt and open with Malik to accommodate Ajmal.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mystery Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 8:51am
Originally posted by milkman

Batting is a bit thin in my opinion. Afridi is just a slogger and plays a good knock once every 20 innings it seems. If they are keen on playing 2 frontline spinner then it means they have to play one less pacer. This problem could EASILY be fixed by replacing one of the fast men for Abdul Razzaq, who can actually play proper innings, score quicks runs at the end and bowl a full quota of overs.
My ODI side for PAK would look like this and with this order too:

1. Akmal (WK)
2. Butt
3. Shoaib Malik
4. Yousuf
5. Akmal, U
6. Younus/Misbah (I'd actually play Umar at 5. He's a strokemaker and a guy who can make tons on a regular basis. 6 is too low and when he is a permanent fixture in the side and an experienced member then he should be a no.3/4)
7. Abdul Razzaq
8. Afridi
9. Aamer
10. Asif (obviously he is not available, so you'd play a Rao or Rana instead)
11. Gul
 
My side would be:
 
Akmal (wk)
Malik
Younus
Yousuf 
Akmal, U
Fawad
Razzaq
Afridi
Ajmal
Asif/Gul
Aamer
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 9:02am
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

I will have Ajmal in this team for Gul. With Razzaq in I can drop Butt and open with Malik to accommodate Ajmal.


Yer I forgot about Ajmal. He can play ahead of Asif since he's unavailable. Then again, with the current set up it's odd to have Ajmal, Malik and Afridi and then 3 pacers. It lacks balance. I'd like to see only one front line spinner picked, but it's hard to drop Ajmal with his form.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zuhair_abbasi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 9:07am
Dont think Malik plays as a bowler. He hardly bowls now. THis might not work in NZL though. They will have to plan an extra seamer. And Razzaq has done good against NZL in the past.
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Afridi needs to bat at 8 otherwise Pakistan will continue making 220 and less every innings.
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He can bat at 8 ONLY when we have Razzaq which is not going to happen in the near future.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote milkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 9:35am
Well then PAK will have to continue to rely on their bowlers to win matches, which is a shame because there is actually some batting depth in PAK.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NZ_Fast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 9:39am
Originally posted by kirankri

Tests in NewZealand and Limited overs in UAE. So will it be a home series for NZ or Pakistan?


It's a home series of Pakistan. I believe the money made from the tests here in NZ go to PCB.
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in NZ $ .... then it's a good deal infact Smile.
 
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New Zealand Dollars are very strong for such a small economy , was almost at parity with the Australian Dollar before recession hit NZ (Australia did not go into recession and now the Australia dollar will be close to equal with the US dollar come January).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 1:09pm
PAK's squad is announced, as expected Misbah has been axed from all three squads... Salman Butt and Imran Farhat both make comebacks in tests and ODI's while Imran Nazir rightfully gets a go only in T20 format. Rana Naved retains his position in ODI's but is not picked for Tests. Sohail Tanvir gets the nod in T20's... unfortunately they have picked Khalid Latif ahead of Umar Amin for the ODI's.

Good news for Zuhair as Abdul Razzaq does gets picked for both ODI's and T20's. He is not preferred though for the 5 day format.

Very very good selection, I'm very happy with the team and I hope they all come good, God willing. This is the first time in a very long time that the Pakistani selectors have picked just the right team for each format!


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Tests: Salman Butt, Khurrum Manzoor, Imran Farhat, Younis Khan (capt), Mohammad Yousuf, Shoaib Malik, Fawad Alam, Faisal Iqbal, Kamran Akmal (wk), Danish Kaneria, Saeed Ajmal, Yasir Arafat, Umar Gul, Mohammad Asif, Mohammad Aamer, Abdur Rauf, Umar Akmal, Sarfraz Ahmad

One-dayers: Salman Butt, Imran Farhat, Khalid Latif, Younis Khan (capt), Mohammad Yousuf, Shoaib Malik, Umar Akmal, Kamran Akmal (wk), Abdul Razzaq, Rana Naved-ul-Hasan, Shahid Afridi, Saeed Ajmal, Umar Gul, Mohammad Aamer, Rao Iftikhar Anjum, Wahab Riaz

Twenty20: Khalid Latif, Imran Nazir, Umar Akmal, Shoaib Malik, Shahid Afridi (capt), Kamran Akmal (wk), Abdul Razzaq, Rana Naved-ul-Hasan, Umar Gul, Mohammad Aamer, Rao Iftikhar Anjum, Saeed Ajmal, Imran Farhat, Fawad Alam, Sohail Tanvir

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Balance is fixed now. Razzaq will play because he's been selected. No point selecting him and not picking him that's for sure. 
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Anybody knows who I don't rate in that Pakistan squad?  Sam, you care to answer?

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I know that pretty well spinny    , but sometimes I wonder why would you say so, I mean he is still a lot better than all those openers that they have tried and his record isn't that bad either.

may be you have seen him only when he has failed because his record against WI is very poor... but if you'd have seen his test century against AUS and that innings at the Eden Gardens against IND, you'd perhaps have rated him at least a little bit...
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Well, for me, if you fail against the West Indies, that says a helluva lot.
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It's not much of a shame Misbah has been thrown out, if you have read my comments about him I think he shouldn't have been there. Seriously underperforming and he's 35 now, his time is up.
Great to see Aamer and Umar Akmal in all 3 squads, the 2 players to look out for in the future. I also like Kaneria being in the test squad.
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We're not talking about Misbah.  Umar Akmal is very exciting!
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I know. You're talking about Butt. I just wanted to mention it as I read it on cricinfo just then.
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yes, Misbah had to go, perhaps they could have selected him for Tests but then there are several youngsters knocking on the door.
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So its the end of the road for Misbah. I do feel for him - he wasn't that bad. At least should have been given a farewell series - but then that hardly happens in Pakistan.

A good selection otherwise. Test match bowling looks weak though without Shoaib and will continue to look weak until we find a real fast man.

I find a funny thing in the selection. Fawad Alam is picked in two formats. T20 and tests. Surely, he has to be the only player around to have such an unwanted distinction.

Glad that Razzaq is back - I hope he plays. All three openers will get their chances. If Farhat has improved from what I last saw of him then he might cement his place. I am happy that the selectors have shown faith in the youngsters and they very well know who is the future of Pakistan cricket. Got to say a very unpakistan-like selection.
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I find a funny thing in the selection. Fawad Alam is picked in two formats. T20 and tests. Surely, he has to be the only player around to have such an unwanted distinction.
 
You are right Zuhair, I didn't notice this!!!
 
It's difficult to give all the openers a chance in just 3 ODI's. Selecting as many as 3 is a mistake... they'll do well to experiment a bit and play two regular openers in place of say Malik or Yousuf for one game.
 
I believe Butt will get a go first up, if he fails, others will get a look in.
 
 
 
 
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