Panesar vs Vettori

   The England vs NZ series has thrown (argubly) the 2 best left arm spin bowlers together, Panesar and Vettori are both top class bowlers, but which is the best overall player.

despite both bowling the same variety of spin they are completly different bowlers, vettori using flight and guile rather than extremly sharpe turn, and panesar bowling more consistantly, and he generally turns it more.

OK it is fair enough to say that Vettori is a better ODI player and Panesar a better test bowler, because there styles are more suited to these. 

However, which do you think is the overall best left arm spinner in the world? 

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Pietersen Fan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List First Slip Joined: 11 August 2006 Location: England Posts: 924	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pietersen Fan Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Panesar vs Vettori Posted: 14 March 2008 at 1:38am
	The England vs NZ series has thrown (argubly) the 2 best left arm spin bowlers together, Panesar and Vettori are both top class bowlers, but which is the best overall player. despite both bowling the same variety of spin they are completly different bowlers, vettori using flight and guile rather than extremly sharpe turn, and panesar bowling more consistantly, and he generally turns it more. OK it is fair enough to say that Vettori is a better ODI player and Panesar a better test bowler, because there styles are more suited to these. However, which do you think is the overall best left arm spinner in the world?
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Kerm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wicket-Keeper Joined: 03 September 2006 Posts: 1168	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kerm Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2008 at 1:42am
	Right now Vettori, Panesar certainly has the ability to become as good or better but not yet.
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spin wizard Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Opening Bowler The world�s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Posts: 9453	Post Options Post Reply Quote spin wizard Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2008 at 1:47am
	Because of Panesar's turn, he could become more dangerous. Vettori's use of guile is way beyond Panesar's own though. Both are very good but at this point, I guess you have to give it to Vettori at the moment.
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NZ_Fast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wicket-Keeper Joined: 21 August 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1928	Post Options Post Reply Quote NZ_Fast Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2008 at 9:55am
	Panesar needs more ODI cricket so he can work on varying his pace. At the moment, every ball he bowls is at the 88-92 kph mark, you could be turning it square but because the batsman knows what pace its coming at, he can nullify the threat.

kirankri Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wicket-Keeper Joined: 21 November 2007 Location: India Posts: 1088	Post Options Post Reply Quote kirankri Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2008 at 10:45am
	From what I have seen of Panesar, he is a good bowler. But not as good as Vettori. Vettori uses the art of flight better than anyone else among the current spinners. Also an intellegent spinner (knows what to use when).

Max Power Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Extra Cover Joined: 19 April 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 645	Post Options Post Reply Quote Max Power Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2008 at 10:48am
	I'm reading Panesar's book at the moment (Christmas present) and from an early point he mentions that he is aware he needs to work on his flight and variation, it is a reccuring theme. I wonder if he really struggles with this as it seems he has been aware of it for a long time, but as has been mentioned he still seems to bowl at a very consistent pace etc. Panesar is still young though and learning, he has bags of potential. I would still like to see him work on his overall fitness and fielding too.
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	Panesar's book !! Grief , he's only been playing the game for 5 minutes ! Whatever happened to writing about one's career after it was over ?
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Max Power Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Extra Cover Joined: 19 April 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 645	Post Options Post Reply Quote Max Power Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2008 at 2:53pm
	I have to admit it wasn't a book I would have chosen for myself but having got it its rude not to read it! He'll probably be able to squeeze at least a couple more books before he retires. Edited by Max Power - 14 March 2008 at 2:54pm
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bondy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Middle-Order Batsman Joined: 10 December 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4976	Post Options Post Reply Quote bondy Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2008 at 8:31pm
	Comparing the two is an insult to Vettori - he's an all-rounder, a potentially very good captain and an excellent bowler. And, as Sledge rightly pointed out, Panesar's he's been playing for 5 minutes - a one-dimensional test bowler who can't cope with the ODI/T20 format.
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venom2011 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Square Leg Joined: 23 July 2006 Location: South Africa Posts: 312	Post Options Post Reply Quote venom2011 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 15 March 2008 at 12:22am
	I'm glad that Vettori's batting has come along because as a frontline bowler, he averages 34.22 overall in tests...and 33.50 in the last 2 years. As an all-rounder, his standing within the team improves greatly. That being said, I'd say Panesar is a marginally better spinner.

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	They have different attributes which make them both good spinners but I'd have to say Vettori. His variation of pace and flight cause alot of problems. His arm ball gives him that extra variation needed to keep the batsmen guessing. Monty is a bigger turner of the ball and I reckon he gets a bit more bounce than Vettori but Monty's problem is his lack of variation of pace and flight. His variation in flight and pace is always miniscule whereas with Vettori the difference between these 2 factors can be massive ball by ball.
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joelza1990 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Square Leg Joined: 06 January 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 397	Post Options Post Reply Quote joelza1990 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 15 March 2008 at 3:44am
	Vettori. He's a wizard of flight and control. Panesar probably has him covered him in turn, but Vettori is smart enough with the flight and control i mentioned to have batsmen in a pickle.

samhache Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Opener Joined: 05 March 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2139	Post Options Post Reply Quote samhache Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 28 March 2008 at 3:56am
	It might be worth mentioning that Vettori is a much better batsman aswell. On bowling terms Vettori is better, he has the luxury of experience whereas panesar has only been playing for....5 minutes
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bondy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Middle-Order Batsman Joined: 10 December 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4976	Post Options Post Reply Quote bondy Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 28 March 2008 at 4:00am
	I've never seen a spinner - other than Warne - have as much control over the balll as Vettori does. To be able to bowl pin-point spin between 70-100k without being taken to is an achievement in itself. Important to note too that Vettori often bowls defensively and when NZ are in a good position it's usually on a green-top.
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	The thing is that Vettori, like Warne, loves for the batsmen to try and attack him. When they do his variations of pace and flight get many batsmen out. Panesar prefers batsmen to try and defend him. When they do it brings his extra bounce and turn into play. As he learns more and gets more experienced he'll learn to deal when batsmen attack him rather than him trying to bowl quicker and flatter when they do. He's started to do it a bit more in test cricket now, hold his nerve more when batsmen go after him.
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	Well, the test at Old Trafford was an excellent proving ground for the two spinners. Both came out trumps, although Panesars spell was the turning point for an England victory.
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	Does Panesar do anything other than just bowl a stock left arm spinners ball? Not saying he is a bad bowler...he does turn it a reasonable amount, but I don't think he has that much to his game. He will be a useful bowler when the conditions are in his favour, on a turning wicket in the fourth innings....but that's it. Test match spinners have variety, doosras, quicker balls, top spinners and all sorts. Also he needs to tighten up his control, he went for 4 an over in Australia. Test spinners need to be able to keep it tight even when they are in conditions which don't suit them, eg Warne, Murali, Kumble, Harbajan. Panesar seems to have a lot of hype about him from the poms...I don't know if he is really an improvement on Tufnell, or the underrated Peter Such.

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	Because of Panesar's turn, he could become more dangerous. Vettori's use of guile is way beyond Panesar's own though. Both are very good but at this point, I guess you have to give it to Vettori at the moment.