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Topic: SA vs Zimbabwe Posted: 02 March 2005 at 5:30pm |
Looks as if this game is half competetive with a target of over 200 for South Africa to chase without Kallis, Smith and Pollock though they should still have enough strength to chase the total down though maybe thelights might come into it?
Yeah i hope to have a good time thanks JP. Its more work and business than anything else to be frank though i should get a day or two to myself. I'll be leaving tomorrow and i'll be spending 5 nights there. I'll be back here for a day and then i'm off again for 10 nights to Brazil so i probably won't be posting all that much over the next fortnight or so. I'll take my computer with me like always though i think i may be a little exhausted from all the flying.
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Posted: 02 March 2005 at 6:28pm |
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Looks like Zimbabwe is in with a shout of beating a second string SA! Can't help but think Streak and Blignaut lack integrity for their decision to return. The political situation hasn't changed in their country (ask Henry Olonga) so why the change of heart? Streak has a habit of capriciousness. Was it Hampshire he let down last season? Or am I mistaken?
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Posted: 02 March 2005 at 6:43pm |
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Yeah i completely agree about Streak and Blignaut. i think the pair of them are complete and total cowards. They took a stance against the policies of the admistrations department of their national team which co-incided with what the regime of Robert Mugabe supported and if anything the situation has gotten entirely worse since they left the cricket scene last year. The only person with any real conviction is the Zimbabwe team is Andy Flower. Now that guy really did have a career and was sure Zimbabwe's greatest ever cricketer no? He had the opportunity to mark himself in history but he chose to take a moral stance during the World Cup in South Africa in 2003 and he sacrificed his career and his life then as he knew it to stand up to the regime that Robert Mugabe and his governement have upheld in Zimbabwe. Granted nothing has changed but Andy hasn't wilted and returned to the cricketing lifestyle he used to have, instead he joined Essex and played alongside Nasser Hussain who himself (with himself) boycotted Zimbabwe during the 2003 World Cup campain. Andy then went on to play for Western Australia in the Pura Cup and now has no associations what so ever with Zimbabwe. He is a man of his word and he didn't succumb to the lackless greed that surely now will incapsulate all the rebels now that their former captain has returned to the ranks? Heath did play county cricket last year but not for Hampshire. I don't remember who it was for actually i think it mau have been worcestershire but i'm not entirely sure on that so feel free to correct me anybody. He started of well taking 13 for 155 on his debut which is a record in English county cricket and is the best ever bowling figures by a debutant in history. Though after that things have not only gone downhill for him but also for his nation and his career in England sort of went down the drain. Even still he really has surprised many people by going back to Zimbabwe. I think many people were shocked that he was even allowed back into the country leave along allowed to play cricket again.
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Posted: 02 March 2005 at 10:00pm |
This result really shows the huge gap in quality. They couldn't even beat a reserve side. At least Bangladesh beat a weakened India side. Zimbabwe must rate below Kenya which says alot. They should lose their international status.
As for Streak, I thought it was Hants, but you're probably right. All I remember, was playing a few games then crying off with injury while still getting paid.
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Posted: 02 March 2005 at 10:16pm |
Oh yeah i know what you mean now yeah. he did play a game or two and then just went off without playing anymore in the season.
The game just showed howbad Zimbabwe are like you said. They couldn't even beat a reserve South African side and when i say reserve i mean reserve! No Pollock, Kallis, Smith, Ntini. Why this series has gone ahead is beyond me.
Boy i'm glad i'm going away now for a while, enjoy the Test Series which i'm sure will be truly competitive.
Oh and yes they should indeed lose their International status, but i think they should lose it on moral grounds for cricmes against humanities etc etc and should only be re-instated into the International circuit by the ICC if there is a complete Regime change in Zimbabwe and if Robert Mugabe is taken out of power. I think the man deserves to rot in hell.
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Posted: 03 March 2005 at 5:25am |
Well , the expected result and the circus moves here to CT for the 1st Test tomorrow. Hearty congratulations to Heath Streak for a gutsy knock and I hope he finds his rhythm when bowling in the match at Newlands. I do think that both of you are a little off the mark in your critism of the lad , his stand took a lot of guts (and I mean a LOT , visit Zim and see the fear) - that he's come back into the fold doesn't mean he's reconciled with the government in any way. His antipathy to Mugabe is well known in these parts and he did lose 3/4 of his own farm to the tyrant! What needs to be understood is that Mugabe takes what he wants , and no sound reasoning or even pleading will change that. He decided that Zim cricket would be black dominated - without any thought as to how the existing players would react or the consequences of his decision. Streak reacted as most would - he simply asked for cricket to be run by cricket administrators and not politicians. Don't judge Streak as a Mugabe supporter - that is the last thing he is!! He needs to make a living , and as a Zimbabwean (and a very passionate one at that) he wants desparately to play for his country - last night's effort is testament to that.
Give the lad a break , he cares for his country , and he loves to play the game we all adore . He's admitted that this whole unsavoury situation could have been handled better , but it happened and now it appears to be resolved - I say thank goodness for that.
Now let's see him take 6-30 on a featherbed tomorrow !!!
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Posted: 03 March 2005 at 5:43am |
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An interesting development in the Streak saga fellas. An article in today's Guardian states that his rejoining the fold as a Zim cricketer just happens to coincide with his family's farm having its Section 8 goverment repossession order removed. If that's correct , then he's doing no more than any good family man would do - the farm has been in the family for over 100 years.
Sadly , it also illustrates how life is in Mugabeland - the ever present threat of losing your home , livelihood and even your life are never far away.
Cricket suddenly doesn't seem so important......
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Posted: 04 March 2005 at 9:54am |
Originally posted by Inducker
Cricket suddenly doesn't seem so important...... |
...which is why his decision to come back is all the more perplexing.
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Posted: 04 March 2005 at 10:38am |
This is embarrassing, first Test and Zimbabwe are 37/7 after 26 overs. This could be over in record time.

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Posted: 04 March 2005 at 3:58pm |
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Zimbabwe all out for 54 with South Africa coasting along to 300 odd for 2 at the close at a run rate of over 6. It really is undermining Test cricket, even the South Africans are hardly celebrating when they take wickets.
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Posted: 05 March 2005 at 10:21am |
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South Africa made 340/3 declared, and Zimbabwe are now 88/2 in their second innings. Two day Test anyone?
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 1:39am |
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Have a great time in PNG, JALRC!! |
Thanks. I had a pretty good time but the weather was lousy and my trip was cut to just 3 and a half days. The weather reduced the match to 33 overs but Fiji still couldn't make it count and PNG went on to win and have qualified to this year's ICC divisional play off series which will give them a chance to enter the full ICC qualification series for the WC in 2007. Having been there for the match and presented the trophy to the winning team i now wish i had had a translater or interpreter there as i understood none of what they said. Anyhow congratulations to them and let's see how far they go later this year in Ireland. Anyway no rest for the not so wicked, i've got 16 hours or so and then i leave for Brazil.
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 1:51am |
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His stand took a lot of guts (and I mean a LOT , visit Zim and see the fear) - that he's come back into the fold doesn't mean he's reconciled with the government in any way |
His original stance did yes but his latter behavior showed that of a coward. I was twice asked to visit Zimbabwe and formalise a report on the country but both times i turned it down for i knew i couldn't give an objective opinion.
Yes it doesn't neccessarily mean he has reconciled with the goverment.
Originally posted by Inducker
What needs to be understood is that Mugabe takes what he wants , and no sound reasoning or even pleading will change that. |
Yeah we all know what a complete b a s t a r d he is. Its a shame they don't have any valuable commodities in their country like oil or steel or else we could invade couldn't we and orchestrate a regime change?
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Don't judge Streak as a Mugabe supporter |
I'm not.
Originally posted by Inducker
An interesting development in the Streak saga fellas. An article in today's Guardian states that his rejoining the fold as a Zim cricketer just happens to coincide with his family's farm having its Section 8 goverment repossession order removed. If that's correct , then he's doing no more than any good family man would do - the farm has been in the family for over 100 years. |
Yeah that was the case but Heath Streak was offered by the regulatory sports body in the UK a residential home for him and his family to live in if he wished (with an opportunity to make a living) for them to leave Zimbabwe but he took the other option which was to return to Zimbabwe and play for the national team.
Originally posted by JP
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Cricket suddenly doesn't seem so important...... | ...which is why his decision to come back is all the more perplexing. |
Precisely.
Oh i dunno maybe i am being to harsh on him? I don't really know what to say anymore concerning the situation in Zimbabwe to be honest, i am at a loss for words.
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 1:52am |
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As for the match itself well the less said the better wouldn't you say? Though there were a few landmarks set so i guess i'll discuss those...maybe?
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 8:12am |
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11th shortest Test match in terms of balls played. Says it all really. We should send these snow clouds that seem permanently lodged over North-East France down to South Africa.
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 10:04am |
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Yeah it was only the 18th time in history that a Test Match has concluded in 2 days or less and only the third time since the war. As for the snow, well personally i would preffer the French to be covered with it...prefferably for the rest of their lives.
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 1:13pm |
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Cape Town gave this one a miss , we like our sport played competitively down here.
The records will stand , but the players know they mean very little. Kallis' 50 overtaking Botham's made in 81 in India is a travesty. Having said that , it's not the South African's fault - or their problem. Just when will the ICC wake up and sort out this shambles before Wisden will be overflowing with meaningless stats?
Another record , not published was also established on Friday at this test. The head barman (of the solitary bar opened inside Newlands) told me on Saturday that they sold the precious total of 47 pints of lager in the whole day - and the temperature was 34C on Friday!!
Of course , there was only one man and his dog watching the massacre !
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 1:18pm |
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What did you expect? A fill out full capacity crowd bursting wuth enthusiasm awaiting what would be a highle competitive fixture? Anyway Kallis's may well be broken soon enough anyway, i was surprised that Botham managed to hang on to his record for a good 25 years. I think Viv's record of the quickest 100 will go soon too. If they did play a match in Cape town then i'm sure there'd be enough space in the crowd for you just to stroll in and watch all 5 hours of the match. I truly do feel sorry for anybody who bought tickets for the 3rd days play, especially seeing as it was a Sunday and that's when you see the highest crowds.
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 1:25pm |
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They sold a handful of tickets for days 1 and 2 JAL , no-one in their right mind would have bought tickets for this fixture knowing they could walk in anytime they liked.
And so on to Centurion Park (sorry Supersport park !! _ all the grounds here have daft names now!!) What's the chances of another 2 day farce?? I for one won't be reserving my seat in front of the TV , come Sunday morning!!
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 1:29pm |
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Every Test of a series to be finished in and within 2 days? That may well be a record in itself...i'm not sure - i'll check. Though i think that may be a little unlikely. By the way yeah what is with the names of the grounds these days in South Africa? Corporate sponsors seem to be taking over the grounds and striking deals with the franchises that own the property. Though how many of the grounds are owned by franchises these days after the amount of clubs was cut to 6? I assume the rest have been sold of to property merchants who will use the land for their own commercial purposes? Supersport is the name of the Television network that broadcasts all South Africa cricket though isn't it?
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 1:36pm |
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well they're only playing the 2 tests (thanks God!!)
As for the ground names , they've gone crazy here and no-one much likes it. The IT company Sahara (the same lot that sponser India) have taken over as main sponsers along with the TV Satellite company . Supersport is that company's sporting channel , so hence the name. As for who owns the grounds , I'm not altogether sure for the rest of SA , but I do know that Western Province Cricket do own Newlands.
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 2:02pm |
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Yeah so basically Supersport is the subsiduary network of the Satelite television network and they are the ones who basically now have the naming rights to the stadium. From what i know the South African Cricket board did let the franchises who became defunked due to the overhaul of the system an opportunity to sell of the stadiums to government as national sporting venues but not one of the franchises took them up on the offer. Most of the franchises from what i know tore down the stadiums and sold the land to proerty developers. So you could start to see a few highrise buildings around the place now.
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 4:27pm |
I think the schoolchildren that were brought in by bus doubled the attendance, I think I read somewhere.
JALRC, let's not get too offensive against the French. I was only joking, following on from my pre-series observation that I'd rather see the series washed out. And anyway, they all seem to like the snow anyway!!!
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Posted: 07 March 2005 at 5:12pm |
Yeah maybe so, they don't get a lot of rain there.
From the MCC we get a load of free passes to games as "official delegates" but nobody seemed keen to go this time for no surprising reason!
Then one guy seemed overly keen to go so we all thought well there's always one isn't there? The little bastard! He just sent us a few pictures a few minutes back showing us he's gone on a month and a half long safari in South Africa with brilliant weather and great food! Drives me mad!
As for the French well for some reason everyone seems to pick on my Anti-Frenchism, i dunno how? 
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Posted: 08 March 2005 at 5:28am |
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I think the schoolchildren that were brought in by bus doubled the attendance, I think I read somewhere.
JALRC, let's not get too offensive against the French. I was only joking, following on from my pre-series observation that I'd rather see the series washed out. And anyway, they all seem to like the snow anyway!!! |
1600 kids were brought in JP - the paying public didn't number 50 ! That neatly sums up the appeal of this match - nobody cared. Cape Townians are THE best supporters of SA sport - especially cricket and rugby. Remember the England test here was sold out ofr the first four days and almost full on day 5 - a lot of lads were off sick that day!
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Posted: 08 March 2005 at 5:32am |
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So you could start to see a few highrise buildings around the place now. |
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That's not going to happen JAL. Development around Newlands is a no-no - the locals here carry lots of weight and prevent any development that is not asthetically pleasing - high rises top their most hated list !
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Posted: 08 March 2005 at 4:59pm |
South Africa have announced their team for the second Test. No Pollock or Ntini:
South Africa 1 Graeme Smith (capt), 2 AB de Villiers, 3 Jacques Rudolph, 4 Jacques Kallis, 5 Herschelle Gibbs, 6 Ashwell Prince, 7 Mark Boucher (wk), 8 Nicky Boje, 9 Monde Zondeki, 10 Charl Langeveldt, 11 Andre Nel.
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Posted: 08 March 2005 at 5:40pm |
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Originally posted by JALRC
So you could start to see a few highrise buildings around the place now. | ...........
That's not going to happen JAL. Development around Newlands is a no-no - the locals here carry lots of weight and prevent any development that is not asthetically pleasing - high rises top their most hated list ! |
I'm not exactly a huge fan either but seeing as i both live and work in a high rise building (not the same one of course) and as i travel a fair bit do also spend some time in hotels most of time is actually spent in high rise property actually. Usually in America, Canada, Britain and Western Europe irrelevant of what the people think there is generally more and more progression towards that sort of trend unfortunately as more and more people are emmigrating to these nations and regions. Its understandable that the people of South Africa do seem to have overpowered the beaurochracy there, i mean its not like South Africa is in any hurry to actually build more porperty i mean its hardly like people are dying to go live there are they?
Anyway what's all this about loads of school children going to these matches free? I never got any of that sort of thing when i was at school - i usually got the cane!
As for the second Test well i though Pollock wouldn't even play in the first Test and i'm surprised Kallis was picked after 6 Tests and 7 One Day matches in succession, i think he should be rested ahead of the tour of the West Indies.
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Posted: 11 March 2005 at 6:00am |
Rain around Centurion today , probably in the afternoon , typical summer highveld weather.
No Pollock or Ntini , but more than enough firepower to make sure we don't have a contest again. Hopefully the runout in Cape Town will have blown a few cobwebs out of both Streak and Blignaut and they'll be sharper today.
The track at Centurion is always a good batting wicket , with decent bounce and a little seam movement. It's not a big ground , so always plenty of boundaries and a lovely place to watch cricket.
Sa to win easily methinks , but at least three days toil this time around !!
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Posted: 11 March 2005 at 8:28am |
Smith wins the toss and elects to bowl - looks like they want a quick finish again!! Game underway in 5 minutes , watch for next posting in 10 minutes for the 1st wicket!!
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