Spin or accuracy?

Originally posted by ANIL KUMBLE I don't know what dip is but I have little variation though i'm trying to learn how to bowl the wrong'un or googly whatever you call it.

The ball appears to pitch 6 ft from batsman's crease and you are shaping to drive. But it pitches 2ft shorter to cause you great anxiety because you are committed to the shot. That is called the dip.

Id imagine either over or underspin would caught negative air pressure and make the ball dip but i'm not sure.

CM it's the other way round mate. Overspin makes the ball rotate forwards, so when it lands it will have more momentum and will thus bounce more.

Underspin will rotate the ball backwards, so the ball will technically be 'forced backwards' and won't have as much bounce so it will skid.

toppies should dip, and anything that spins backwards should hang in the air for longer

Well in tennis, slice (or underspin) makes the ball hang in the air longer and topspin (or overspin) brings the ball down at a quicker rate, so I'd imagine this is the same for cricket as well...?

Underspin = Less bounce

You're right, one of us is wrong. Funnily enough, it was the pace bowler who's never bowled an over of spin in his life who was wrong, not the former test legspinner and coach of Australia! Basically, what the book said is what mimimurali detailed above, but my pace-addled mind mixed the two up. Jesus, how do you people think and bowl at the same time?! It's ridiculous.

I'm not sure you're right about the reason though, surely it isn't the increased speed that causes bounce (after all, spinning forward would logically make the ball 'shoot') but the steeper trajectory caused by the effect of spin in the air?

I do want to learn to bowl wrist-spin. Partly because, let's face it, much though I love raw pace, it doesn't have anything like the same complex brilliance and variation, partly because at some point I'm going to get old and lose my pace and partly because it would be AWESOME to be able to chuck in a legspinner/googly/toppy as a slower ball. Although maybe that's a little ambitious...

I'm still going to be a pace bowler though. No-ones taking away my chin music

Over spin will dip more. A Finger spinner can dip it more than a wrist spinner. If bowled with the right kind of pace and flight EVERY ball will dip. Greatest of finger spinners got them to dip even with side spin. (Dilip Doshi was a good example so is Vettori)

it depends what match situation you're in whether spin or accuracy is better. accuracy is probably good if you've got a bowler at the other end attacking. spin better if you need wickets. In my and the opinion of many others including macgill and warne spin is better

Shane Warne has also said that, warnester. If you're starting bowling spin, bowl with a tennis ball, because you really have to spin a tennis ball to get results. Then move on to a cricket ball and apply the same technique as for the tennis ball.

Kumble's unique though. You're not going to get many people who can't spin the ball very much and get 550 odd wickets.

OK. I suppose if you go the accurate route, you'll get a game quicker. If you take the spin route you'll need to practice for longer by working on the accuracy part, but when you do get a game you're probably going to be more likely to take wickets.

If you learn to really spin it, you can then work on bowling that delivary accurately. If you learn to bowl accurately then try and give it a rip, you'll have changed your action and release and you'll lose all that accuracy anyway. Accuracy comes more from repetition and muscle memory than it does from your specific action.

I bowl it really slowly and whenever I try to speed it up it goes everywhere, any tips?