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    Posted: 30 September 2006 at 5:36pm
Flipper needs lot of physical power to bowl. You have to have iron like strong fingers, and a dispropotionalely large hand. (I have that mate, so I know how it feels)

Flipper has to be forced trough the fingers and looked to be bowled short. My off spin flipper used to defeat batsman on length rather than the pace (as Warne). most of them lulled in to security of back foot with few shortish offies and suddenly flipper with same trajectory pitches 2 feet up and bang LBW.

So try it mate. Wish you could be a good offie. But always beware of the action. I got caught for chucking with my offies when I tried to get too smart.
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TCA, i know exactly what u mean with your doosra, ive always wondered why no more off spinners did that cause its such an easy ball to bowl. Do you know why?
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Why's that, 70DS? Enlighten us with your knowledge, O Wise One!



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I dont know (thanks for making me look so bad fishy) 
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Sorry, mate! I thought you wre going to give us the 'Doosra for Dummies.' I used to be able to bowl a doosra and I didn't bend my arm.

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Originally posted by 70_degree_spin

TCA, i know exactly what u mean with your doosra, ive always wondered why no more off spinners did that cause its such an easy ball to bowl. Do you know why?

I would guess that at the top level, it could be picked very easily. However at the level i play at, i would more likely disguise it well enough for it to be effective.

As for chucking, my friends said that i chucked when i first started to bowl off spin. I was really trying to rip the ball and was basically throwing. Since then i've remodelled my action and i find it much more fluent than before. I've had plenty of people look at it and they are all satisfied i don't chuck anymore.



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Sorry, mate! I thought you wre going to give us the 'Doosra for Dummies.' I used to be able to bowl a doosra and I didn't bend my arm.

Is this the story about you being a googly bowler and you called your leg break the doosra. Because that isn't a doosra.
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No, that's not it, that';s what I bowl now. I used to be able to bowl a doosra, but I didn't bend my arm. I think it turned out to be a completely undescribable ball which was a cross between an offspinner and a flipper!  

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The problem with my doosra is that it is very hard to give the ball the same flight as a normal offie. This is because i'm pulling down one side of the ball which often fires it in much flatter. The hardest part is not disguising it out of the hand, but making it have the same flight as a normal off spinner.
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The problem with my doosra is that it is very hard to give the ball the same flight as a normal offie. This is because i'm pulling down one side of the ball which often fires it in much flatter. The hardest part is not disguising it out of the hand, but making it have the same flight as a normal off spinner.


Try this one out.
Normal off spin grip, palm is right behind the ball as you are bowling a side spin off break. Take the index-finger off the ball just before the ball is released. Ball it flat and fast as because this one lobs up in the air as you bowl it. If done correctly this will have a minor leg break on the ball with the usual away drift (most doosras drift in and turn away, so if a offie is really drifting the stock ball (i.e. he is in good form) the doosra will either not drift or drift in)
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Thanks alot. I'll try that next time i'm in the nets. Never thought of that.
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im surprised to see noones brough up flight yet, being a 6'4" quick bowler i know nothing about spin from the bowlers point of view, but as a batsman ive come across plenty of decently accurate spinners who turn the ball a long way who after i get my eye in i can dominate because i can judge the trajectory easily without thinknig too hard about it
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What about if they land it in the same spot each time?

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My best asset it flight. I always give the ball plenty of air. It's the key to all spin bowling, beat the batsman in flight.
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What speed does everyone bowl at because I only bowl at about 35 mph (estimation.) It might be a bit more, maybe a bit less but it's 10 mph short of what I want it to be. Will I get more speed as I grow older or am I spinning the ball too hard or something?
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Originally posted by fishcake14

What about if they land it in the same spot each time?


Well that depends on where that spot is... assuming you mean on the right spot every time then spin or no spin, flight or no flight they are damn hard to play. With a consistent trajectory its possible to use your feet to get the pitch and play straight but a) this is risky if your doing it every ball - you only need to get it wrong once or he only needs one quicker/slower/wider one to get you and b) its also very easy to defend - unless you take your life in your hands by hitting accross the line (and to be fair this works for some) its a very small area youre hitting into between mid-on and mid-off
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Originally posted by 70_degree_spin

What speed does everyone bowl at because I only bowl at about 35 mph
(estimation.) It might be a bit more, maybe a bit less but it's 10 mph
short of what I want it to be. Will I get more speed as I grow older or
am I spinning the ball too hard or something?


How old are you? if you are below 18, you'll quicken up to maximum when around 25. When you grow older you'll learn tricks, changing axis of roration with minimal effort, nice flight, thinking batsman out, making batsman to look like fools etc. and slow down a bit. Whn you are 29-34 your golden yeas as a spinner will come if you are fit.

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Originally posted by wal bada

How old are you? if you are below 18, you'll quicken up to maximum when around 25. When you grow older you'll learn tricks, changing axis of roration with minimal effort, nice flight, thinking batsman out, making batsman to look like fools etc. and slow down a bit. Whn you are 29-34 your golden yeas as a spinner will come if you are fit.

You're on a roll today wal !! Again, I couldn't agree more!

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Yeah, thanks for that wal bada, I was just checking coz sometimes I do absolute jaffas and the batsmen have time to react to the spin which is annoying.
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Yeah, thanks for that wal bada, I was just checking coz sometimes I do absolute jaffas and the batsmen have time to react to the spin which is annoying.

I get that. I think it's because i'm bowling too slow.
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Well I think well get speed coz were only in our teens after all.
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I've tried bowling faster and it feels so unnatural. I have a very Shane Warne like run up. I walk up to the crease and then use my body to deliver my off break. I'm not like a saqlain, murali or Harbhajan who break into a jog. I walk up.
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I always thought Saqlain looked like a part time bowler in his run up but obviously thats not true, does anyone else think that?
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I've tried bowling faster and it feels so unnatural. I have a very Shane Warne like run up. I walk up to the crease and then use my body to deliver my off break. I'm not like a saqlain, murali or Harbhajan who break into a jog. I walk up.

That's like me. I've got more of a 'walk up.' I can't bowl my stock googly fast, I can bowl my leggy quite quickly.

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I always thought Saqlain looked like a part time bowler in his run up but obviously thats not true, does anyone else think that?

Thats true mate!! When I think about his run up you can say that as well. For an off spinner, a jog is the best thing for the run up. Look at Murali, harbhajan etc.

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That's like me. I've got more of a 'walk up.' I can't bowl my stock googly fast, I can bowl my leggy quite quickly.

You are like me mate!! The only deliveries I bowl fast is the slider and Flipper, other than that I bowl them slow.
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I've tried bowling faster with a jogging run up and my body feels unbalanced before a deliver the ball. When i walk up, i'm much more in control with my action. Plus i get more spin with a walking up action.
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Originally posted by legendary fraudster

That's like me. I've got more of a 'walk up.' I can't bowl my stock googly fast, I can bowl my leggy quite quickly.

You are like me mate!! The only deliveries I bowl fast is the slider and Flipper, other than that I bowl them slow.

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How did you change it to legendary fraudster?!  I bowl slow because I'd get too tired bowling quick (yes, old fat me!)  But it works!!!

I would say I bowl between 25-45mph. Approximately!



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Originally posted by legendary fraudster

That's like me. I've got more of a 'walk up.' I can't bowl my stock googly fast, I can bowl my leggy quite quickly.

You are like me mate!! The only deliveries I bowl fast is the slider and Flipper, other than that I bowl them slow.

How did you change it to legendary fraudster?!  I bowl slow because I'd get too tired bowling quick (yes, old fat me!)  But it works!!!

I would say I bowl between 25-45mph. Approximately!

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if you bowled 25mph it wouldnt even reach the batsman!
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well ok, 30 or 35 mph for slower stuff! My mental speedo sucks!

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 I haven't a clue what speed i bowl at...but it's slow
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