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    Posted: 26 October 2005 at 1:53am
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Hi m8
What about starting a stump the guru.
Someone starts with a question and when a person gets the correct answer he then takes over the guru title?
Then he posts a question and so on?
What would you reckon the chances of kicking this of are?
ps i now have a teaser for yourself!!!
How many ways can a batsman be given out and what are they?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 2:06am

Definitely a good idea, One Hammer, I'll make this a sticky topic. So there it is people, question number 1:

How many ways can a batsman be given out and what are they?

OK, some basic rules:

  • If a question isn't answered in one week, the guru tells the answer and sets the next question.
  • You are allowed one answer per post and you have to wait for someone else to post before you can post another guess.
  • Try not to think of ridiculous, obscure questions that no-one will get - the object of this is a bit of fun, there aren't any prizes involved.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 2:55am
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Originally posted by One Hammer

Thanks JP,im now with you,I didnt see your post here before the other post,I could have put the rules question in to this as well,Sorry m8 and yes a time limit or say 10 guesses and if not the right answer by then a new question can be given? I dont know m8 what do you think i am unfamiliar with the workings on this as im in the new stage hahaha


OK, some basic rules:



  • If a question isn't answered in one week, the guru tells the answer and sets the next question.

  • You are allowed one answer per post and you have to wait for someone else to post before you can post another guess.

  • Try not to think of ridiculous, obscure questions that no-one will get - the object of this is a bit of fun, there aren't any prizes involved.

 




That sounds Excellent.
Only thing JP is if im not on when someone gets the answer
Can there be a way ,that if they are sure they have found the answer ,like in a post,they can post the correct Answer and ask a question themselves rather than wait for the timezones to cross?
I like the idea of making it not easy but also not impossible to get the answer as it is for fun .
What do you think?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 3:00am

Yup, that idea sounds fine. So long as it's not something super obscure then post the answer (cross-reference if necessary) and post a question.

Alternatively, and this is possibly a better idea, the question setter should PM me the answer to the question so I can then answer if they're not around. Obviously this would mean I can't take part if this is done, but that's fine by me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 6:35am
Good idea Hammer !!

I think the answer is 9

they are - 1) Bowled
               2) Caught
               3) LBW
               4) Run Out
               5) Stumped
               6) Hit Wicket
               7) Obstructing the field
               8) Hit ball twice
               9) Timed out

   Hope this is okay , if it is , then I'll post one pretty sharpish!   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 7:08am
Sorry sledger ,ive just saw your post ,and now ive lost my list hahaha,i will find it in a few minutes and see how you went.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 7:19am
Originally posted by Sledger

Good idea Hammer !!

I think the answer is 9

they are - 1) Bowled
                2) Caught
                3) LBW
                4) Run Out
                5) Stumped
                6) Hit Wicket
                7) Obstructing the field
                8) Hit ball twice
                9) Timed out

   Hope this is okay , if it is , then I'll post one pretty sharpish!   


What i can say sledger is back to the drawing board mate as i can thoink of at least 2 more to your list,but i will find the definative answer,soon,you reckon i can find the bugger?hahaha,i had it and lost it again,,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 7:24am
Right mate , I'll have another head scratch and see if I can find 'em !!

It's still early here and i've not really come around yet!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 7:25am
Handled the ball is a 10th!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 7:31am
Well done,and on my list it has 11 and possibly 12,but will pay 11,as the 12th has something to do with the same.Although it is in the book as a different dismissal.

That seems the only time i will get you,when you are waking up hahaha,your to good,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 7:43am
Actually sledger,It is clear that it is a dismissal,or so its telling me,so there are 12 ways for the batsman to be out/or dismissed.I hope to god im reading it right hehe
So we need 2 more dismissals,i thought along the lines of a mankad or a runner would find another form of out but it wasnt to be.
Do you have mankads in Barbados or is it called something else?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 7:45am
One more huh , blimey , I'll have to have a good head scratch mate!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 7:48am
I'm actually in Cape Town Hammer - I just put Barbados to keep the taxman off my back!   two to get huh.....trod on wicket ??? (I'd class that as hit wicket)

what's a mankad - he was a fine Indian batsman in my youth!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 8:05am
Ok in Melbourne here i have played in 2 games where the mankad dismissal has been given out,It is most likely known as something different in SA But its when a bowler comes into bowl,the non striking batsman leaves the crease as the bowler is about to release the ball,then he dont release the ball non striker is on his way half way up the pitch only to turn and see the bowler whipping of the bails at the non strikers end and waving him goodbye.
Normally the bowler will give a warning but in both games i have saw it happen there was no warning and the umpire on appeal had to give it out,it generally (well both times) has had a couple of team mates come to blows with the opposition
Im sure you have it under another name,And yes it was named after Mankad the indian as he was the first to dismiss someone with this method.


oops sorry mate,no wasnt trod on wicket.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 9:08am
Okaaaaaaaaaaay!! That's a form of dismissal , but I've only been thinking about the removal of the striker!

There was an incident here in SA involving Peter Kirsten a number of years ago - he was run out for backing up too eagerly but he HAD been warned !! It still caused a major sensation with the public and in the papers though ! Personally , I had no problems him being out , he was chancing his arm!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 9:17am
Can you be dismissed from the field for, say, foul and abusive language (perish the thought)? That would be a 'dismissal' of sorts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 9:22am
JP ,I would say you would get reported or something more harsh,but it isnt in the form of getting a batsman out.
a clue is the final 2 that is stated are around the same thing,but marginally different.
Both the batsman and non striker can go this way!!!!!

Good to see you back awake JP,little sleep though mate,no sleeping in the class today hahaha
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 9:28am
how about persistent running down the pitch Hammer? If they get warned enough , they could be dismissed for it?

I've never seen that happen - but I'm getting desparate !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 9:49am
No not that one buddy,
I have to take the kids to cricket training mate so what i will do is leave you with the answer as you were close as can be to it,well near enough,You will have to put the thinking cap on and post a top line question on cricket.
something other posters wont be able to resist.
Ok i will post the link to the answer as well as the answer page in case it dont let you go to link,Cheers mate and i will see you if your still on in a few hours.
Thanks for the fun Sledger,i have you in my buddy list so i will catch up again,make the question a good one bud,
Cheers


Dismissal of a batsman
For more details on this topic, see Dismissal (cricket).

A batsman is allowed to bat as long as he does not get out (also known as being dismissed). There are ten ways of being dismissed, some of which are credited as wickets to the bowler, some of which are not credited to any player. If the batsman is dismissed, another player from the batting team replaces him until ten batsmen are out and the innings is over.
DONT GET TO CARRIED AWAY AT THIS BIT SLEDGER WITH THE 10 DISMISSALS,READ ON AND YOULL FIND WHAT THEY ARE GETTING AT.


Many modes of dismissal require the wicket to be "put down". The wicket is put down if a bail is dislodged from the top of the stumps or a stump is struck out of the ground either with the ball, or by a fielder with the ball in his hand. Of the following ten modes of dismissal, the first six are common, while the last four are technicalities which rarely occur. Briefly, the ten modes are:
Caught — When a fielder catches the ball before the ball bounces and after the batsman has struck it with the bat or it has come into contact with the batsman's glove while it is in contact with the bat handle. The bowler and catcher are both credited.
Bowled — When a delivered ball hits the stumps at the batsman's end, and dislodges one or both of the bails. This happens regardless of whether the batsman has edged the ball onto the stumps or not. The bowler is credited with the dismissal.
Leg before wicket (LBW) — When a delivered ball misses the bat and strikes the batsman's leg or pad, and the umpire judges that the ball would otherwise have struck the stumps. The laws of cricket stipulate certain exceptions in favour of the batsman; for instance, a batsman should not be given out LBW if the place where the ball bounced on the pitch is to the leg-side of the area strictly between the two wickets. The bowler is credited with the dismissal.
Run out — When a fielder, bowler or wicket-keeper removes one or both of the bails with the ball by hitting the stumps whilst a batsman is still running between the two ends. The ball can either hit the stumps directly or the fielder's hand with the ball inside it can be used to dislodge the bails. Such a dismissal is not officially credited to any player, although the identities of the fielder or fielders involved is often noted in brackets on the scorecard.
Stumped — When the batsman leaves his crease in playing a delivery, voluntarily or involuntarily, but the ball goes to the wicket-keeper who uses it to remove one or both of the bails through hitting the bail(s) or the wicket before the batsman has remade his ground. The bowler and wicket-keeper are both credited.
Hit wicket — When the batsman accidentally knocks the stumps with either the body or the bat, causing one or both of the bails to be dislodged, either in playing a shot or in taking off for the first run. The bowler is credited with the dismissal.
Handled the ball — When the batsman deliberately handles the ball without the permission of the fielding team. No player is credited with the dismissal.
Hit the ball twice — When the batsman deliberately strikes the ball a second time, except for the sole purpose of guarding his wicket. No player is credited with the dismissal.
Obstructing the field — When a batsman deliberately hinders a fielder from attempting to field the ball. No player is credited with the dismissal.
Timed out — When a new batsman takes more than three minutes to appear on the field to replace a dismissed batsman. (If the delay is even more protracted, the umpires may cause the match to be forfeited.) No player is credited with the dismissal.

Additionally, a batsman may leave the field undismissed. For instance, if he is ill or injured, this is known as retired hurt or retired ill. The batsman is not out; he may return to bat later in the same innings if sufficiently recovered. Also, an unimpaired batsman may retire, in which case he is treated as being dismissed retired out; no player is credited with the dismissal.

link   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket

this was the missing part of dismissals

Additionally, a batsman may leave the field undismissed. For instance, if he is ill or injured, this is known as retired hurt or retired ill. The batsman is not out; he may return to bat later in the same innings if sufficiently recovered. Also, an unimpaired batsman may retire, in which case he is treated as being dismissed retired out; no player is credited with the dismissal.

I was originally saying they both were the same but on closer reading it not.
You can retire injured or ill and comeback to bat later,but and they have no history of this as it says,a batsman can just retire and on doing this he is classified as out,why someone would do that?god knows but the rule is there ,you would most likely say your feeling ill and come back if needed,Maybe in a ODI and a team are chasing say 200 to win and are 1 for 170 in 25 th over and someone wants a teammate to have a hit and get the eye in ,i suppose it could happen but i dont think we will see that in our time.Although the rule is there mate,so we have 12 forms of getting out..
They arent as easy as first thought are they?
The mankading situation must just go down as run out or stumped hey?

Ok cheers mate talk soon,,,,




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 10:25am
Bloody hell !! You can tell the rules of cricket were made by the old gits at Lords !!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 11:11am
You're right One Hammer, mankading is recorded as 'run out'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 11:44am

An important thing to know about retiring is that "Retired Hurt" counts as "Not Out" so it doesn't muck up your average, whereas "Retired Out" definitely does.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 2:17pm
You're the man Swerve !!! Can you post a viscious one - I'm working here!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 3:43pm

I'm working too, but the boss isn't here today!

How about this for a start:

It's getting towards the end of the innings, and one of the batsmen (Jim) is well in and is having a wonderful time.  On the last ball of the over, he hits the ball quite well, but it stops short of the boundary. 

The batsmen have crossed for the third run, and the fielder realises that three runs will put Jim on strike for the last over of the match, so he kicks the ball over the boundary.

How many runs are scored, and who is on strike at the start of the next over?

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 3:46pm
It is four runs only, and Jim's partner is on strike. 
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Wrong.
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7, counts as 4 overthrows plus the three
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by swerveman

How many runs are scored, and who is on strike at the start of the next over?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 4:11pm
so it is seven runs, and Jim is on strike?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2005 at 4:18pm

Absolutely correct.

It all hinges on the fielder's act being deliberate.  If it had been accidental, you would have been right the first time (normal boundary, batsmen return to where they started).

Law 18.6. Overthrow or wilful act of fielder

If the boundary results either from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder the runs scored shall be

(i) the penalty for a No ball or a Wide, if applicable, together with any penalties under either of Laws 18.5(b) (Deliberate short runs) or 42 (Fair and unfair play) that are applicable before the boundary is scored
and (ii) the allowance for the boundary
and (iii) the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they have crossed at the instant of the throw or act.

Law 18.12(a) (Batsman returning to wicket he has left) shall apply as from the instant of the throw or act.

 

Law 18.12. Batsman returning to wicket he has left

(a) If, while the ball is in play, the batsmen have crossed in running, neither shall return to the wicket he has left, except as in (b) below.

(b) The batsmen shall return to the wickets they originally left in the cases of, and only in the cases of
(i) a boundary;
(ii) disallowance of runs for any reason;
(iii) the dismissal of a batsman, except as in 9(b) above.

 

That was obviously far too easy!  Now it's your turn.

 



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