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wiseguy
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Topic: The Ashes 2006-7 - England v Australia Posted: 04 January 2007 at 6:04am |
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Sorry of warne to have missed out on a possible century in the final test match, but his batting has definately done great for his team and the psychologiacal advantage is with ausies now. England struggling at 73/3 still in a deficit of 29 runs, unless a few century partenerships happen it is following the same pattern.
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so far so good!
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 7:54am |
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England have struggled in at least one innings in each of the tests. Warne was unlucky just missing out on his 100, I don't think he will be able to bat again. He didn't have to go after Panesar all that much I think McGrath might have stuck around for long enough. Anderson seems to be a very athletic fielder, he has created many run out chances. Also did England put out Panesar to be the night-watchmen or was he promoted up the batting order?
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 8:23am |
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England look in real trouble. There's no way they're going to win this test match.
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"His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 8:47am |
5-0 anyone?
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5-0 You Beauty!!!!!
Thanks for the many fantastic memories Marto, Langer, Warney & Pidg
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 9:14am |
I believe my friend owes me $50.
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"His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 9:40am |
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Watching Jimmy Anderson I get the feeling that there must be only minor issues that need to be fixed for him to be a world-class bowler. He's got such a nice action, and he can swing the ball a mile.
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It's a long way to the shop, if you want a sausage roll.
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dips_december
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 10:50am |
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Ill go with Clapo and McGrath .
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143no
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 11:23am |
Originally posted by Roscoe
Watching Jimmy Anderson I get the feeling that there must be only minor issues that need to be fixed for him to be a world-class bowler. He's got such a nice action, and he can swing the ball a mile.
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I agree, he looks a mile better than saj.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 1:05pm |
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His new action looks very good, the more he bowls the better.
Another dismal day.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 1:46pm |
Originally posted by RightHandBat
England look in real trouble. There's no way they're going to win this test match.
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Thanks for that insightfulness
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 5:06pm |
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I cant believe how eng appealed for a wicket which was blantantly not out, Gilly is a known walker and to have appealed knowing it wasnt really out, is not only embarrasing but shows how desperate the english team have become, the way the were celebrating the remaining auss wickets would make you think they were a team who were 4-0 up not the other way round. Its been a while since i have seen a team get mualed so badly. Yes auss are a great team but atleast show some fight and pride. No way this eng team is num 2 in the world.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 5:08pm |
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I thought it was out. Warne was clearly out on 10 as well.
Fact of the matter is we have had the worst of the umpires this series, but even so, we're still way behind the Aussies with this squad of players.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 5:41pm |
Originally posted by inzamam329
I cant believe how eng appealed for a wicket which was blantantly not out, Gilly is a known walker and to have appealed knowing it wasnt really out, is not only embarrasing but shows how desperate the english team have become, the way the were celebrating the remaining auss wickets would make you think they were a team who were 4-0 up not the other way round. Its been a while since i have seen a team get mualed so badly. Yes auss are a great team but atleast show some fight and pride. No way this eng team is num 2 in the world. |
So if we're not num 2, who is, Pak who we just mauled 3-0/2-0 I'd say not
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 6:02pm |
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Gilly being a known walker only gives him oppurtinity to stay at the crease every wicket or so.
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Offspinner,
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inzamam329
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 6:20pm |
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Slogger i dont care about what really happened in that 2006 series, pak hammered eng just after they won the ashes, so its equal, but in all honesty eng do not deserve to be no 2, they couldn't even give auss a proper game in any of the games so far.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 6:26pm |
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PS: Pak team is much better man to man in both forms of cricket than Eng. When Eng can has legends like yousaf and inzy than i would put my hand up and say yes they are good. KP has alot of talent but he is new. Collingwood is an average player, he has many flaws in hius batting especially againts good bowling and his bowling is poor at best. Then you have Bell who is far too slow and can be bogged down. He enjoyed making hundreds against a second string pak attack and the poor windies and bang, but has really struggled against good bowling. Harmison will bowl properly when he feels like it or when he is playing in eng. Im not anti-eng all im saying a team ranked no 2 should be giving teams a good run for their money and also should be doing well in ODI cricket.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 6:27pm |
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I agree it has really been a disappointing series by England. They just have to acknowledge that Australia have one of the best teams ever to play the game. England do not have a bad team but they are nowhere near the standard of Australia. (at the moment that is)
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slogger72N/O
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 7:37pm |
Originally posted by inzamam329
PS: Pak team is much better man to man in both forms of cricket than Eng. When Eng can has legends like yousaf and inzy than i would put my hand up and say yes they are good. KP has alot of talent but he is new. Collingwood is an average player, he has many flaws in hius batting especially againts good bowling and his bowling is poor at best. Then you have Bell who is far too slow and can be bogged down. He enjoyed making hundreds against a second string pak attack and the poor windies and bang, but has really struggled against good bowling. Harmison will bowl properly when he feels like it or when he is playing in eng. Im not anti-eng all im saying a team ranked no 2 should be giving teams a good run for their money and also should be doing well in ODI cricket. |
I would agree that England are rubbish at ODI cricket and need to improve, but when did I mention ODI cricket, it's irrelevent here. In tests you can't really say we were fielding our best side against Oz, we missed Jones and Vaughn we also missed not having Fred bowling the overs we wanted him to bowl.
KP does have a lot of talent, and will probably become a great player. I would agree that Collingwood isn't that great but he scores runs and has a fairly good average. Bell doesn't just score runs against second string attacks and scores at a good rate. Also you fail to mention Strauss and Cook who could become a great opening partnership, I think most would agree that Strauss has had some bad luck this series and could've got much more. Cook is also a star of the future and will probably score a lot of runs for England in the future.
I have to concede though that we didn't Aus a good fight and that despite injuries and some fairly suspect umpiring that 4-0 and almost certainy 5-0 is abysmal. And that ODI's are a bad point, we still mananges to halve the series against Pak and beat finalists W.Indies in the group stages, so things are looking up
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 7:55pm |
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I think 2009 will be far more even. England have players such as Cook, Bell and Panesar which may be among the world elite by then. They have the potential.
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inzamam329
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 8:09pm |
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Fair point slogger, im not having a go or anything, i just feel we should have seen alot better by england, even in one test. I also believe right now on current form, Lanka, India, Safrica and Pak are porbably better than eng in tests, which why i say they are not the no 2 side in the world. I hope you understand the point im making. By the way yes Strauss has turned himself into a fine opener, and as for KP he will become a great plaeyer, if people just leave him alone and not criticise everything he does.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 8:30pm |
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The way it is at the moment, or the way I see it at any rate is that Australia are streets ahead of everybody.
Then you have India, Pakistan, South Africa, and England who are all capable of beating each other at home but struggle away from home.
So, there isn't really a clear number 2 side.
There are about 5 divisions: Austrlia --- England, India, Pakistan, South Africa --- New Zealand, Sri Lanka --- West Indies --- Bangladesh etc.
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inzamam329
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 8:31pm |
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Excellently put JP, but i would still say ENg are slightly behind Ind, pak, Safrica.
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TCA123
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 8:43pm |
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Nah i think it's perfect. England would expect to beat all those sides at home.
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inzamam329
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 8:47pm |
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Thats my point TCA, although eng can expect to beat them at home, and only at home, these teams are capable of beating Eng home and away, which is why they just pip Eng.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 9:00pm |
Originally posted by inzamam329
Fair point slogger, im not having a go or anything, i just feel we should have seen alot better by england, even in one test. I also believe right now on current form, Lanka, India, Safrica and Pak are porbably better than eng in tests, which why i say they are not the no 2 side in the world. I hope you understand the point im making. By the way yes Strauss has turned himself into a fine opener, and as for KP he will become a great plaeyer, if people just leave him alone and not criticise everything he does. |
Fair enough inzy I can see why you think those 4 could probably beat England right now, their morale must be rock bottom right now anyway
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inzamam329
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 9:41pm |
Originally posted by inzamam329
Excellently put JP, but i would still say ENg are slightly behind Ind, pak, Safrica. |
Not with our full strength team we're not. But, as our full strength team (with Vaughan, Trescothick, Jones and co.) probably won't ever play together again I think you could be right.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 10:26pm |
"No, I'm looking forward to getting away from it." Steve Harmison asked whether he will miss being part of the England tour when the Test ends and he returns home.
This for me is dissapointing to read but sums up his attitude to playing cricket, no passion and drive eventhough he is playing at the biggest stage pssoible, so many young players in eng would give an arm and a leg to play for eng, once ranked number 1 in the world and now he doesnt even want to play. This is very very depressing if you an english fan, someone in the hierarchy needs to put him in his place and sort him out once and for all, not many people get tha chance he has been granted, he was like this on a previous tours, i think it was tours to pakistan and Safrica,. Where other eng boys played their hearts out, he wanted to go home, everyone else has a family, he is not special.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 11:13pm |
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Pieterson is out 3rd ball. McGrath strikes and he's caught behind by Gilchrist.
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Posted: 04 January 2007 at 11:31pm |
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Panesar run out by Symonds with a direct hit at the stumps and he's out by a mile.
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"His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century.
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