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    Posted: 18 June 2009 at 11:47am
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I still get the strong feeling that if he is fit and bowling well, Sidebottom is ahead of Onions in the queue.
Do you think Eng should go with 5 bowlers Clobs? Especially when you consider that, in Flintoff, Broad and Swann they have 3 bolwers who could bat pretty decently.
If yes, what would be your choice for the remaining 2 bowlers?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2009 at 12:02pm
That's exactly what I proposed... and then they'd choose Sidebottom and Anderson.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2009 at 1:19pm
Onions got some cheap wickets against the Windies so he shouldn't be heart broken if Sidebottom replaces him in the first test.  Sidebottom looked real fiery in those couple ah T20 games he played, nice touch of aggression plus he's not a wayward bowler so good to have around - if it swings, he'll definitely trouble batsmen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2009 at 4:20pm
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

Why drop Onions for Sidebottom?.


Variety I would imagine
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2009 at 4:52pm
Both very wierd names nonetheless.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 June 2009 at 1:15am
Yup. Sidebottom would be the only leftie there, and England haven't had many of them in the past.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 June 2009 at 4:31am
Fair enough. But has Sidebottom been playing any county cricket lately? How has he performed if he has been playing?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 June 2009 at 6:17am
Sidebottom's on record saying he wants some 4 day cricket before next month. He is undercooked , but did get it into the mid 80's which is as quick as he's been in an England shirt.  Clobs is right , if he is back to full fitness he'll get his place back and Onions will be sent back to Durham.
       If both Flintoff and Sidebottom do get back I think the series will be very , very close. Freddie could do with a few runs though - he's a batsman who has to feel in good touch to perform , he can't just stick around and gradually come back into form.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 June 2009 at 7:49am
In the past 7 weeks Sidebottom has played eleven one day games (mainly 2020) and 2 championship games. Before the first Test he has several more domestic 2020s and a Championship game versus Lancashire.

If there were concerns he should have played against Oxford UCCE in the current game, so hopefully that's a sign that the coaches think he's on track.

More interesting perhaps, is what sort of Sidebottom will be playing (or be asked to play?). He showed signs of real hostility in the recent games but can he sustain that in a Test or will we merely get military medium liner and length?

He will join Flintoff, Anderson, Broad and Swann in my opinion. The batting picks itself.

I think the Ashes will be won by whoever has the superior seam attack.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2009 at 7:35am
I saw an article on the curator for the 1st test. The word is that spin will play a big part and that England might well go in with both Swann and Panesar. It'd make a pleasant change to actually beat Australia first up !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2009 at 7:38am

The spin department is one area where England really have an edge. More than anything else, I would like to see fully fit Flintoff for the complete tour.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2009 at 1:23pm

Sledger, I`m always of the opinion that home groundsmen should produce surfaces that suits their team.  A lot of people may give the sub continent curators a bit of stick but at least they go in favour of their team!  I know producing mine fields is wrong like what India squared their home series against SA on but generally, I think people get the picture!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2009 at 1:29pm
Stop the bus!  I've just read Panesar's 1st class figures for this season and it doesn't make for pleasant reading.  In 6 1st class matches he's taken 6 wickets at a monstrous 86.67 per wicket,  Adil Rashid must be rubbing his hands.
        The 16 man squad also has omitted Vaughan and Harmison. Vaughan's omission is no surprise , but Harmison has taken 16 wickets in his last two matches. He'll be selected for the Lions vs Australia at Worcester , but Vaughan needs a shedload of runs to make a return to the test squad , nevermind the test side.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2009 at 1:44pm
I hope this fires Harmison up and he absolutely rips into the Aussies in the Lions match.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2009 at 2:20pm
Let's hope so Clobs. I'd love to see him unsettle Hughes and Ponting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2009 at 2:34pm
Harmison`s really an enigma.  I`m sure he had a good start last season and didn`t really run through any sides.  I don`t know but he somehow seems to lose whatever confidence he has easily.  I hope he`s back but maybe some brutalness from the selectors by not having a look at him at all for a year might do the trick!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 June 2009 at 3:36am
The first tour match has ended in a draw. Neilson has said that Peter Siddle is a "lock" to partner Johnson in the first. That leaves 1, maybe 2 fast bowling positions open, which i reckon will go to Lee and Clark. Lee because he is a great bowling partner for Johnson (left - right partnership, both can both 145+) plus he had match figures of 4 - 104. Clark because Hilfenhaus cant cut it and had figures of 3 - 100. No Hauritz because, lets face it, he sucks and our part timers can do better then him (North, Clarke, Katich).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 June 2009 at 7:38am
I agree with you.  I dont think Hauritz or Hifenhaus will make the cut. 
 
IMO, these will be the playing XI for the teams:
 
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cook, strauss, bopara, pietersen, collingwood, prior, flintoff, swann, anderson, rashid, sidebottom
 
AUS
 
hughes, katich, ponting, hussey, clarke, north, haddin, lee, johnson, siddle
clark
 
I have a feeling that this will be a close series, with England regaining the ashes at the end of it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 June 2009 at 7:59am
AUS will be at a disadvantage given that they don't have any quality spinner in their side. It'll be very difficult to retain the Ashes given this situation. North hasn't been that impressive either. I wonder if he should make the playing eleven.

ENG look to be a well settled and a better side on paper. I'd predict ENG to win back the Ashes. if they do want to play two spinners then I think the second spinner should be Rashid. Panesar has been totally out of form, and Rashid's batting will be a bonus too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 June 2009 at 8:37am
If English batsman can break Jhonson's confidance, then its all the way England this Ashes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2009 at 2:50am
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If English batsman can break Jhonson's confidance, then its all the way England this Ashes.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2009 at 4:25am
It might not be all they way England Bladey...but it is not going to be a repeat of 2007 either mate.Some of the above mentioned points are really good and Aussies will badly miss a spinner. However, they will be better off without Hauritz. England at the moment seem a lot versatile in their bowling department. Bring on The Ashes!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2009 at 9:22am
Is Cardiff hosting a test match for the first time? What is the nature of the wicket generally for county matches?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2009 at 11:33am
yes Kiran, it will be the first Test held there, so very exciting for them I am sure.

No one is really sure what to expect from the wicket, but it's anticipated to be a turner.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2009 at 10:19pm
Not a good ground for the Aussies either, I'm sure it's there that Bangladesh won against them for the first time in their International history, I think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2009 at 7:33am
Plenty of support for the home side , but I've been through too many disappointments to convince myself that England will win. Flintoff's non-bus trip adds to my uncertainty and the batting has yet to click regularly. The Cardiff wicket hasn't yielded too many for the spinners since they were fined for an underprepared pitch and whilst it might turn , it'll be slow. That shouldn't worry any of the Aussie top order and I expect a tough , tough series.   To me , if the summer stays hot and sunny then Anderson and Sidebottom could well struggle. If there's no swing then sheer pace could well be key and the Aussies have by far the upper hand.
          Negative post lads , but I'm still smarting from an expensive trip to Pretoria and a heartbreaking finish !!
         Adding to the negativity , what odds on Freddie playing all 5 tests ??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2009 at 7:52am
Originally posted by Sledger

  To me , if the summer stays hot and sunny then Anderson and Sidebottom could well struggle.
That is one of the reasons, why I feel it is not a good idea to play both of them in the 11 Sledge. Both rely on swing. If both are fit, I would have Sidebottom ahead of Anderson because he adds variety to the bowling (since Broad and Fintoff are Right arm bowlers) and also he is more consistent of the two. Swann IMO is the best offspinner in the world at the moment and should play all the matches. If they go for the 5th bowler which they should, Rashid is a better option than Monty since tailenders generally struggle against leggies and even if Rashid cannot knock out top order players he could be used to avoid Aussie tail wagging.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2009 at 8:16am
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         Adding to the negativity , what odds on Freddie playing all 5 tests ??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2009 at 4:19pm
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Swann IMO is the best offspinner in the world at the moment and should play all the matches.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2009 at 4:22pm
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Originally posted by kirankri

Swann IMO is the best offspinner in the world at the moment and should play all the matches.

 

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