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    Posted: 02 December 2007 at 1:22am
trying to bowl a doosra like muralis is a stupid idea, even if you learn to bowl it exactly like him, it will be very very different from a traditional off spinners action
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Originally posted by Spin Man

Aight, the doosra..I saw Muralitharan bowling it in a Youtube vid. True, I can't get a hold of it @_@. Guess I need loads of practice for that one. Oh well, I'll just do a googly :P.

mate doosra is bowled by offspinner while googly by leg spinners. So are you both leg and off. Also doosra, even most of the international/good spinners find it difficult. You must be a very good bowler if you bowl it even once. Wink


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i bowl my offies like murali. i can manage the doosra about half the time. im really pround of myself. even though i bend my arm like murali
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Spin Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 December 2007 at 5:14pm
I found my ball going the other way very, very few select times. True, its ridiculous, I don't have a congenitally defected arm so to say. So I'm trying to find out how Harbhajan does it.
And candiancricket, I said I can do both offies and leggies o.o. But to do justice to my offies, I should be able to turn them the other way with a similar action.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Pietersen Fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 December 2007 at 7:41pm
murali bends his arm less than you think
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Well, the site in your siggy seems to provide some good guidance :P
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i'm having a problem with playing shots on the leg espectially balls which come on the leg side and i'm not very good at flicking either
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 December 2007 at 6:11pm
Simply put mate, batting aint your stuff.
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i need help leaving ones i dont need to play at
i get a rush of blood  time to time and try to smash it.
any ideas?
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Yeah, leave it.
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I need to work on my catching, When I try to catch, the ball just bounces out. I'm fine with slip catches, but the ones that are skyed I have problems with. Even when I close my fingers around it, it manages to slip out.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 7/45 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 December 2007 at 9:11am
Originally posted by spin wizard

Yeah, leave it.
 
my god thats helpful
 
ok i put it this way, how do you make your self leave it when your first instinct is to swing at it?
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Get in the nets and simply practise leaving the ball.  Don't play anything that you think will miss off stump - if you do you should be forced to buy the 1st round !
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Originally posted by Niv!

I need to work on my catching, When I try to catch, the ball just bounces out. I'm fine with slip catches, but the ones that are skyed I have problems with. Even when I close my fingers around it, it manages to slip out.


Remember to fully extend your arms while you get under it so i can 'give' with the ball as much as you can.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 7/45 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 December 2007 at 10:32am
Originally posted by Sledger

Get in the nets and simply practise leaving the ball.  Don't play anything that you think will miss off stump - if you do you should be forced to buy the 1st round !
 
 
ok i will remember that next time in the nets, i adjusted my stance last session to help me with playing straight and it worked.
 so now  once i  practice leaving ones outside off i should be mucxh better thanks.
 
buy the first round eh? i cant mate, only 17 Wink


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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 December 2007 at 3:47pm
Don't get to fond of this left alone shot mate. A lot of class players have been made to look like fools playing that shot and seeing their stump walk or get out lbw. Personally, if I coach a team and a guy gets bowled or lbw from a left alone, he's out for the next game!
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Even the best of players have been undone leaving a ball that swung late SW.  It's still a vital attribute knowing what to play and what to leave.
    The odd mistake of leaving one and getting cleaned up will be offset by all the runs you'll score because you made the bowler bowl where you want. There's nothing worse than running in on a swelteringly hot day and watch the batsman let it go through time and time again. 
      Two batsmen spring to mind - Geoff Boycott and Gary Kirsten - they had the patience of saints and rarely left anything they shouldn't have.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 7/45 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 December 2007 at 10:57am
yeah,
no use swinging and nicking a ball you dont have to play.
make him bowl  on your terms
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Then make sure you know what you're leaving. Leaving a ball pitching close to the stump is risky. Leaving one pitching way outside off can't be of any harm. I still stand by my comments though. Know what you're leaving.

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I agree with Sledger.

The assumption you are making SW, is that, a bowler cannot fox a batsman, into a feeling of security to leave the ball, but still get him out.  Swing is a skill that not many possess, especially late swing, which is the creme-de-la-creme of swing bowling.

Give credit where it's due.

Yes, getting out lbw, or shouldering arms, is an error in judgment on the batsman's part (even if you dont credit the bowler for making the batsman think he's safe).  But which dismissal isn't an error of judgement?

Think about it.  A batsman gets out, when he doesnt read the line right, or the length, or the swing, or flight, or turn.

You'll make a better coach(if and when you do, that is), if you are willing to concede that mistakes can happen - even while shouldering arms.




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Ofcourse I know mistakes are bound to happen but seeing those professionals leave balls a fraction outside off and getting lbw and bowl is a disgrace!! As I say before, know what you're leaving. If the ball is pitched 2 feet away from the stump and you're gonna leave it, stick your pad out so that it negates everything if the ball zips back in.
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good points all
i try to remember it all :)
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-Know where your off stump is (it's easier if you take the middle stump guard).
-While arriving at the crease, observe which way the wind is blowing (use a few blades of grass).
-If the wind is blowing into your off stump, then, 'leaving' is not really a good option, unless the ball is way outside off stump.
-I take middle stump guard, and when the ball is pitched outside off, and I take a forward stride towards the line of the ball, and if the ball is still outside my bat's zone, I leave it - a lot of times, with the bat tucked closer to my body, and moving the face of the bat away, at the last minute towards point.  I dont shoulder arms in the traditional sense.
-And just remember - you dont need to hit every ball that is coming your way.  It's a mental thing.  You need to keep reminding yourself that, just before the bowler starts his run up.

I have been playing for about 5 years now, and I have a good defense.  I follow the above, and I'm yet to be bowled or out lbw to one that I left, or edged one, while I use my own 'leave' technique.  Works great for me.

My technique frustrates the hell out of the bowlers, because, the ball passes the bat by a few inches, but I'm very confident about my technique, because, I watch the ball like a hawk when I leave it.

'Leaving' is more about confidence, and confidence comes only with practice and experience.  Practice leaving, and you'll get the hang of it.



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when playing the drive off the front foot and back foot how do i keep my left elbow straight? my right elbow which is at the bottom is straight but cant keep my leg elbow is it because of my grip?
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LY,

I'm not sure what exactly you are asking about.  For a right hander (which I presume you are), the left elbow will be bent and not straight. 
It's simple practical physics - your right hand is reaching lower and hence, farther, into the handle, so the elbow is straight, whereas, your left hand is higher up, so it WILL be bent.

Maybe, you were trying to refer to a high elbow action while batting?  That usually is a hallmark of a technically proficient batsman, so I'm wondering if your question was about that.

If I'm way off base, then, please clarify.

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yes i was tring to refer to a high elbow while batting, i cant get a high elbow when batting, and my elbow is bent, when i try to keep my left elbow high when playing a shot it hurts.
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This sounds more medical than technical.

Get a technically proficient batsman or a coach to check your high elbow while you bat.  If they say it looks fine and you arent doing anything wrong, and it still hurts, go see a sports medicine doc, or an orthopedic.
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