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Topic: The New Steve Waugh? Posted: 12 November 2005 at 3:39am |
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Some people have argued that Graeme Smith is very similar to Steve
Waugh. He is aggressive, is destined to become a great batsmen, with a
test batting average of 54 and an ODI average closing in on 40. Although
he does not have the captaincy record of Waugh's, his team is developing
and are on an unbeaten ODI streak of 17. He really is turning into one of
the finest cricketers around. What's your opinion?
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My two favourite Batsmen:
Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well.
I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age
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Posted: 12 November 2005 at 4:53am |
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Fine player, but I don't see him in the same mould as Steve Waugh - whilst Steve Waugh had all the shots but wouldn't necessarily play them whereas Smith is more attacking and is happy to pull all his shots out of the locker. That may change and he's yet to prove himself around the world of course.
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Posted: 12 November 2005 at 6:17am |
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there is no way smith can compare to steve waugh. waugh was a great captain and a great batter. greame smith is still developing.
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Posted: 14 November 2005 at 4:20am |
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I am not saying smith is as good as waugh yet, I just think he is
developing into a waugh.
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My two favourite Batsmen:
Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well.
I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age
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Posted: 14 November 2005 at 4:21am |
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Can people who vote please state their opinions because there are already
5 'no' answers with only two replies about the reason for their choice.
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My two favourite Batsmen:
Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well.
I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age
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Posted: 14 November 2005 at 7:13am |
a lot of what shaped steve waugh were the hardships he experienced in his early days. first of all he was dropped from the team and replaced by his younger twin who ended up scoring a century on debut. To add to this Waugh began his career in a time when the Aussies were at the receiving end of some pretty devastating defeats. All of this turned Waugh into the ''iceman'' and gave him that by any means necessary attitude.
I dunno if South Africa are facing such hardships at present but I believe that Graemme Smith has had a relatively comfortable start to his career and thus might not get an opportunity to develop that backs to the wall attitude
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Posted: 14 November 2005 at 7:30am |
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They are totally different animals - no cricketing similarities at all actually!
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Posted: 14 November 2005 at 6:49pm |
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can you please expand on that sledger??
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Posted: 15 November 2005 at 7:57am |
Originally posted by saadadvanced7
can you please expand on that sledger?? |
Okay Saad I'll break it down into different attributes.
Batting
Steve Waugh batted with a concentration level that few attain and he did it for hour after hour. Smith , though capable of long innings can still be rash. They have their favourite scoring areas too - Smith accummalates heavily through the on-side and particularly through midwicket. Waugh 's favourite area was through point region - great slashing cuts being his trademark.
Waugh , defensively was very correct , had quick feet to the slow stuff and limitless patience.
Smith is no slouch defensively , but certainly isn't classical.
Bowling
Waugh was a brisk medium pacer , nice away movement and especially early in his career could be a partnership breaker of note.
Smith bowls offspin with varying degrees of success. He certainly gets it off the straight , but probably underbowls himself. To improve he needs more overs under his belt out there in the middle
Captaincy
Here there's a huge difference between the men. Waugh was highly confrontational and was not shy of ****ing off the opposition. Whether that was when he was batting of in the field , he loved to wind up the enemy. He's probably THE king of the antagonistical approach to captaincy - he riled every opposition skipper of every country! He was also extremely aggressive in trying to win cricket matches - schrewd declarations (although not as hair-raising as Mark taylor's!) giving his bowlers a chance to win the game. His field settings were also adventurous - optimsing the chance of a wicket.
Smith TRIES to be a similar type of leader , but he lacks the courage , the experience and the nouse. Too many times he chases the ball - when a 4 is hit , he then moves a man to that position on the boundary to cut it off - it's negative cricket and knocks the confidence of the bowler. Generally his field settings lack imagination - much the same irrespective of who's batting. His declarations are safe - it's a South African failing , Cronje was exactly the same. Often there isn't enough time left to push for the win after he declares - but they won't lose either!
Smith might evolve into a Waugh clone - it's not a bad ambition , but he's nowhere near there yet. He doesn't command the respect that Waugh had throughout the cricketing world , although he is a fine player.
Let him be his own man and hopefully he'll leave the cricket to do the talking and stop some of those stupid comments he's prone to make when under pressure.
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Posted: 15 November 2005 at 5:37pm |
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ok, thanks, just to let you know i wasn't disagreeing with you, i just wanted to see what you had to say.
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Posted: 16 November 2005 at 3:16am |
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Graeme Smith continues to prove his ability as a captain... Unbeaten
streak of 19 - 5 better than Waugh.
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My two favourite Batsmen:
Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well.
I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age
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Posted: 16 November 2005 at 7:05am |
Originally posted by surenj
a lot of what shaped steve waugh were the hardships he experienced in his early days. first of all he was dropped from the team and replaced by his younger twin who ended up scoring a century on debut. To add to this Waugh began his career in a time when the Aussies were at the receiving end of some pretty devastating defeats. All of this turned Waugh into the ''iceman'' and gave him that by any means necessary attitude.
I dunno if South Africa are facing such hardships at present but I believe that Graemme Smith has had a relatively comfortable start to his career and thus might not get an opportunity to develop that backs to the wall attitude
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Surenj, in case you've forgotten, Graeme Smith took over as captain after the World Cup catastrophe (for SA at least). All the fuss about the Hansie Cronje legacy was still like an axe hanging over his head. Not to mention, being one of the youngest players in a very decent and maturing side. His ex-captain still played under him (and still does to this day). SA supporters are amongst the most fanatical in the world - to take over a struggling side and be expected to win from day was not even an option. Many more experienced campaigners would've wilted under such immense pressure. Graema has the same steeliness as Steve Waugh, though I still say he falls short of reaching Steve's status on all measurable cricketing fronts. I realise it may seem like quite an honour comparing him to Steve Waugh, but it's kind of an insult to his abilities, where he can take this SA side and to where he can elevate his own career to being on a par of other previous greats of this game. So my response is yes, he is similar to Steve Waugh but he will never become like him. It's almost like comparing a Subaru Impreza Sti to a Ferrari Modena.
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Posted: 16 November 2005 at 3:40pm |
You cannot say Smith lacks experience or courage, just look what happened during the SA v NZ ODI. Graeme Smith substituted Ntini in the 2nd ODI and Ntini could not believe it happened to himself, then Smith got the best out of Ntini for the rest of the series. Now that takes courage to take out one of your best bowlers on the day.
Smith is only 24 and has years ahead of him captaining his side, it is a bit too early to compare Smith to Waugh but I would say that they are alike but Smith has more ability, great batsmen and will be a great captain. I don't know how many watch the 20;Twenty final at the Brit Oval but in the final Smith showed he has great ability. Believing in his bowlers and keeping slips in and with results, then facing Flintoff in a heated battle and Smith came out on top.
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Posted: 17 November 2005 at 5:11am |
Originally posted by G Smith fan
I don't know how many watch the 20;Twenty final at the Brit Oval but in the final Smith showed he has great ability. Believing in his bowlers and keeping slips in and with results, then facing Flintoff in a heated battle and Smith came out on top. |
Come on !!!! 20/20 is a bigger joke than the 50 over nonsense! To say that Smith got one over Flintoff is ridiculous - it has no bearing whatsoever on their respective standing in world cricket.
......and Smith was less than average yesterday when India were 36-5 - no imagination at all , Waugh would have bowled his top men through and had them out for under 150.
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Posted: 17 November 2005 at 11:34am |
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smith bowls off spin and waugh bowls medium pace, greame smith is developing at the moment.
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Posted: 17 November 2005 at 12:42pm |
Originally posted by G Smith fan
You cannot say Smith lacks experience or courage, just look what happened during the SA v NZ ODI. Graeme Smith substituted Ntini in the 2nd ODI.... |
You really believe he made that decision? This substitution silliness is sorted before a ball is bowled , Ntini knew full well he wouldn't be out there for the duration.
Smith is a novice , his age tells us that , but he's improving. In his career as captain can you think of a single brilliance in the field of a test match which is down to him? I can't , but it will happen as he grows up.
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