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mhj007
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Joined: 12 March 2007 Location: Bangladesh Online Status: Offline Posts: 43 |
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Topic: The Next Test NationPosted: 12 March 2007 at 6:48am |
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mihir brother..whats ur problem???why u dislike the bangladeshis so much??see the recent results,they are now way better than zimbabwe,kenya and other associate countries.they have beaten aus,sri,ind in recent past and shock nz by 2 wickets in the wrold cup warm up match.they are now a very good side..and i really hope they will progress to super eight in this world cup.the infrastructure is very strong in bangladesh,they were fifth in the under-19 world cup last time,beaten england u-19 eight times in a row.cricket is like a religion ij bangladesh..so think before writing..u will have to eat ur own words near future.bangladesh will be world cup champion in 2011,mark my words.u wanna bet? Junior Edited by mhj007 - 12 March 2007 at 6:49am |
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mihir_ozz
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Posted: 14 January 2009 at 11:13am |
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Well dear it's not me ... look now England also don't want to play with b'desh and aussies india already scrapped their home test against bangla.
look at their recent defeat in test pathetic performance with so much investment in infrastructure |
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Sledger
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Dickenson can marry my mother-in-law ! Joined: 08 August 2005 Location: South Africa Online Status: Offline Posts: 15694 |
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Posted: 15 January 2009 at 5:01am |
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No idea what you're smoking lad , but I wouldn't mind some. |
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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bladescape
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Excellence in the making Joined: 14 June 2008 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1809 |
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Posted: 16 January 2009 at 12:02am |
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I could just see it!
Yuvraj Singh,test average:132.33!
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Mikey
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Joined: 28 March 2011 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 949 |
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 5:45am |
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Looks like there is a need for a second tier test system. That exists now, but what's necessary is that it is professional and limited to maybe 6 teams. I suppose Ireland, Netherlands, Canada, Kenya, Scotland and Afghanistan would be considered in that top 6. If any one of those teams begins to dominate for 5-10 years then a promotion could be made up to full test status. I suppose the worry for teams like WI, Zim and BD is whether or not their full status could ever be taken away from them, in that case they should be guaranteed their spots as top 10 teams.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2204 |
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 6:54am |
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I seriously doubt BD deserve any place among the rest of Test nations.On paper they look to give some fight , but somehow it never translated over a consistent period of time, which make be believe that they should not be playing agianst top 8.
Why would we dilute the record books? Chances are that Afridi's fastest century and Sachin's 200 is in serious threat and most likely candidate to break those records is none other than half decent opener (courtesy IPL that made him opener
Glad that there is no tests, otherwise Shane Watson could have broken Brian Lara's 500* aswell.
Only record that might not be broken will be Murali's 800,as those teams get to play only twice over 5 days. If ICC comes up with a rule of unlimited innings on all five days , then even Murali's record will be under serious threat.
Taking nothing away from Shane Watson, but I don't like hard earned records to be broken against minnows (who 90% of the times don't really compete).
The same is case with ZIM in ODIs .They need to pull up their performance. Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 12 April 2011 at 7:08am |
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Mikey
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 7:05am |
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Watson averages almost 45 in ODIs at a strike rate of 88. Australia rarely play BD or Zim as well. To go with a bowling average UNDER 30 and over 130 ODI wickets. Not bad for someone who bowls 1st or 2nd change and opens the batting. Sehwag doesn't even average 40 in ODIs...
Watson is the best all rounder in the world, to call him 'half decent' is an insult to be quite frank. Did Sachin not score a double ton vs BD? Maybe they should remove that from his records... |
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MalhotraRaj84
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Joined: 13 April 2009 Location: India1 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2204 |
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 7:17am |
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Now comming to "Half decent" word ... Yes , I said Half decent Opener ... never said "Half decent" player. He has been transformed into a opening batsman as Aussies did not have any capable replacement after Haydos to open at the top.
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Mikey
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 7:23am |
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His run scoring ability has certainly matched the likes of Waugh, Gilchrist and Hayden in the ODI arena. His 185* demonstrates that he's simply too good for the rubbish that BD offer. To say 'I hit sixes because I was too tired to run' shows that he's just in a different league. I mean, put Watson next to Mushfiqur Rahim and you'll see that Watson is about double his size.
Nonetheless, we've seen him make big tons against quality attacks, like England, South Africa, etc. |
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mihir_ozz
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 7:42am |
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Well i said it always .That Bangladesh has Pathetic Administration for Cricket.
It may offend Bangladeshi Fans who said they are going to be 2011 Champions and now must be saying 2015 Champions. Look at the looses to Full Members by Ireland and Bangladesh. Ireland played Styen and Morkel attack..and Bangladesh Played 2nd String Attack and collapsed at 78 in own backyard. With 12years of experience and regular funding from ICC as Full Member they cannot progress. Cannot even put a fight in their own backyard in world cup. West Indies and South Africa games were Pathetic. Ireland Deserves chance to play in 2015. May it be ahead of Bangladesh or Zimbabwe. Ireland still dependent of HPP money from ICC. Which is very less than compared to Full member fund to Bangladesh or Zimbabwe. Loot it as realistic way. Give Ireland a chance for 5-10years..if they don't develop then also show them way out. |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Joined: 19 December 2006 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 6202 |
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 8:35am |
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Other than Ireland, the most I feel for are the Afghanistan players. their progress was absolutely amazing - and now they are left with almost nothing. Sad.
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kirankri
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 9:26am |
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He score against SA. Not BD.
And I agree with most of you. Test status should be revoked from BD. That 2nd tier is the right way to go.
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vote4peace
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 3:55pm |
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Sounds like a good idea. Maybe its time to demote Bangladesh to a lower tier if it does materialize . |
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Mikey
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 4:44pm |
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I'd be happy to see Bangladesh go. They don't really offer anything to world cricket. We didn't and we continue to not need them at this level. They are a burden...
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mihir_ozz
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 5:09pm |
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Well Bangladesh has got lot of opportunities against big teams regularly and expect win against New Zealand ..they haven't been successful at all.
Even Zimbabwe from 2003 hasn't won a series against any full Member other than Bangladesh and they have been worst . ICC spending too much on Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and still no quality cricket from them. Not even competitive. Whereas Ireland still getting very less money from ICC and developing game on that and in world cup they gave every team a good fight.. Even Bowling against South Africa was good.. |
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 12 April 2011 at 5:15pm |
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very poor and silly comments against Bangla boys, but they won't be going anywhere anytime soon, time and again I have pointed out how the top teams also lose so badly. not so long ago, BAN had beaten NZL 4-0 and have beaten both ENG and IRE (who are often called better than BAN) in the WC.
even ZIM are a good side, they did well last year in their backyard beating IND twice and SLN once, I admit india were a slightly weaker team but then a similar indian team also beat NZL 5-0 last year. Good news is that ZIM are all set tp return to test cricket this year, this should be a big boost for ZIM cricket and hopefully will enhance their progress. finally, calling Shane Watson a half decent opener is a joke. |
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Sledger
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Dickenson can marry my mother-in-law ! Joined: 08 August 2005 Location: South Africa Online Status: Offline Posts: 15694 |
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Posted: 13 April 2011 at 6:38am |
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I wonder if junior's grown up yet ? |
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vote4peace
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Joined: 23 February 2011 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 380 |
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Posted: 13 April 2011 at 9:24am |
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No sam, Bangladesh shouldn't be revoked of their ODI status. Its their Test status that fail to inspire. Seriously how many would be interested in watching a Bangladesh Test match.
They say the ICC about to come up with a Test league championship. I wouldn't mind not seeing Bangladesh in that league. Don't get me wrong I still do believe with time, if they can pump in a little more dough to their cricketing infrastructure, they will grow as a cricketing nation, they got the following and the passion. Just not ready imo for test cricket atm. |
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spin wizard
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The world’s next great spinner Joined: 21 January 2006 Location: Saint Vincent Online Status: Offline Posts: 9453 |
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Posted: 14 April 2011 at 1:39pm |
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Raj, Shane Watson is nowhere close to being a half decent opener!! Don't speak about my look-a-like like that!!
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 14 April 2011 at 5:15pm |
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you have valid points V4P, my main point is that do we even understand what age group are we looking at? I mean their oldest player is 28 years of age, we are looking at players in their early 20's and they are still good 4-5 years away from reaching their "peak" which I'd say is about 28-32 years of age period for most cricketers. considering the amount of talent these players have I mean Tamim, Shakib, Mortaza, Mushfiqur, Mahmudullah, Kayes, almost every single player in their team has tremendous potential, I cannot understand how can anyone say that BAN will be going no where? (i'm not saying this to you, it's for people who think like that). Also BAN have never gone backwards like KEN or SCO, it's only that their progress has been slow, which is a minor concern. |
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Mikey
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Posted: 15 April 2011 at 10:30am |
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BD are not consistent and the players don't show any temperament. One good innings every 30 innings is not good enough, your ability is generally (not always) reflected in your average and when the whole team bar Shakib average under 30 then it's obvious that no one is consistent.
Same goes for the fast bowlers, particularly in test cricket. The Bangladeshi fast bowlers at times make Sreesanth and Munaf look like Walsh and Ambrose. |
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 15 April 2011 at 3:59pm |
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Oh so much for the word "Half decent" usage, I did not want to reply but I think time to clear few things.
So if you go by the dictionary Sam it means "quite good or skilled", but not saying it is the best.
So my context should infer not being wildly over enthusiastic about his Opening skills.I have said he has transformed into a very good allrounder (thanks to Warnie and IPL) his records show for itself post that, but is he the genuine opener in long term? or its just his pink purle patch coincided with promotion as an opener. Only time will tell.
My intention was not to belittle Watson's acheivements, but I just did want to see great records like 200* and 500* being broken just because of consistent inability of team.
I think all strong teams and their players do fancy some sort of records when they play BD. If my memory is right in last few years atleast 4-5 players have scored in excess of 150 against BD.
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Mikey
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Posted: 15 April 2011 at 4:30pm |
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Mr Coventry had the once world record of 194* against BD.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 16 April 2011 at 7:32am |
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There have been sic scores of 150 or above against Bangladesh. NZ and SRL have been on the receiving end most of the times with 8 150 plus scores. Followed by India and BD with 6.
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MalhotraRaj84
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Posted: 16 April 2011 at 7:56am |
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Right Zuhair, but the problem with BD is that 4 out of those 6 came in last 18 months. That is the worrying factor. Teams will go for runs, players will hit huge scores. For example, Aussies scored 430 odd, SA had to chase it down , that is why you see Gibbs registered a 160 against them.There is nothing wrong in high scores as long as there is competetaion involved.Even when Coventry scored 194*, BD chased it down with Tamim's superb 154. I don't have problem with such innings.
For BD sake I just I just hope that they win the toss always and bat first, otherwise these 150 plus scores will keep increasing.For a team whose batting is weak it is always better to bat first , so that oppoents never get opportunity to score big against them and keep count of high scores less against them. Edited by MalhotraRaj84 - 16 April 2011 at 8:16am |
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 16 April 2011 at 8:49am |
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Their bowling is not that strong either mate. They need to produce two really good fast bowlers to be consistent at the top level. All spin attack may work some times, but it wont take BD cricket forward.
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Mikey
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Posted: 16 April 2011 at 10:52am |
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Like I said, the pace bowlers that BD are producing are extremely sub-test standard. I don't think even Mortaza has a five for at test level. Even India, which doesn't produce the best quicks, still have a couple to do the job, but most importantly an extremely strong batting line up to make up for any weakness in the bowling anyway. BD have no strengths, at all.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 16 April 2011 at 11:23am |
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The point on BAN's fast bowling is absolutely right, unless they unearth a couple of very good fast bowlers they will continue to find it difficult to contain teams.
Mortaza is fairly good but he still needs to improve, Shafiul is very young so we need to give him some more time, same with Rubel, but I think Shafiul is a better bowler than Rubel. |
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