Vettori vs Hogg

We have seen a lot of great left arm spinners in current game. Vettori, Rafique and Jayasuriya are old foxes who have performed admirably. Enamul Haq and Monty Panesar are representing new generation. But every one have forgotten a crafty chinaman bpwler called Hogg. Due to the fact Warne and McGill are there, Hogg never go the opportunities he should have. If he was in SAF he would have played 75 test matches now to take 250+ wickets.

Here are the records of Vettori and Hogg

Hogg
Batting and fielding averages     Mat     Inns     NO     Runs     HS     Ave     BF     SR     100     50     4s     6s     Ct     St
Tests     4     5     1     38     17*     9.50     136     27.94     0     0     2     0     0     0
ODIs     97     56     23     700     71*     21.21     862     81.20     0     2     39     5     29     0
Twenty20 Int.     2     1     0     41     41     41.00     25     164.00     0     0     2     3     0     0
First-class     92     136     29     3679     158     34.38               4     24               53     0
List A     202     138     50     2427     94*     27.57               0     6               73     0
Twenty20     12     9     1     191     54     23.87     160     119.37     0     1               5     0


Bowling averages     Mat     Balls     Runs     Wkts     BBI     BBM     Ave     Econ     SR     4     5     10
Tests     4     774     452     9     2/40     3/108     50.22     3.50     86.00     0     0     0
ODIs     97     4389     3316     117     5/32     5/32     28.34     4.53     37.51     1     2     0
Twenty20 Int.     2     30     62     0     -     -     -     12.40     -     0     0     0
First-class     92     11918     6453     160     6/44          40.33     3.24     74.48          7     0
List A     202     7848     6100     211     5/23     5/23     28.90     4.66     37.19     2     3     0
Twenty20     12     251     317     21     4/9     4/9     15.09     7.57     11.95     2     0     0

Vettori
Batting and fielding averages     Mat     Inns     NO     Runs     HS     Ave     BF     SR     100     50     4s     6s     Ct     St
Tests     73     105     16     2250     137*     25.28     4105     54.81     2     13     294     6     36     0
ODIs     194     123     39     1270     83     15.11     1607     79.02     0     3     95     6     53     0
First-class     119     163     23     3649     137*     26.06               4     20               57     0
List A     260     173     47     2514     138     19.95               2     9               84     0
Twenty20     1     1     0     5     5     5.00     7     71.42     0     0               0     0


Bowling averages     Mat     Balls     Runs     Wkts     BBI     BBM     Ave     Econ     SR     4     5     10
Tests     73     17585     7851     229     7/87     12/149     34.28     2.67     76.79     11     13     3
ODIs     194     9085     6397     192     5/30     5/30     33.31     4.22     47.31     5     1     0
First-class     119     27346     12288     381     7/87          32.25     2.69     71.77          23     3
List A     260     12443     8528     269     5/30     5/30     31.70     4.11     46.25     5     1     0
Twenty20     1     18     13     0     -     -     -     4.33     -     0     0     0

dont agree, he turns it more but is lethal thru flight

I always thought Hoog is a much better bowler from the first time I sow him in 2002 (in that som time som TV commentators quistioned his selection) still he is a bit underated bowler, I really think he is a better bowler than Vitori. 

I'd take Hogg based on current form.

Originally posted by samhache yeah true NZ fast, i agree. they are different, but i also think vettori is better. better batsman aswell, if that counts?

Not sure about that though. Comparable may be the better word.

You can consider that Hogg has a best of 71 n ODIs and 158 in Sheffield shield match with 6 odd centuries. He can hold that bat!

Originally posted by MadMax Comparable may be the better word.

I think I have answered your call

Hogg for me.

Given that Hogg has never has the opportunity to prove himself at test match level it's hard to choose him over Vettori purely as an ODI player; Vettori is my choice.

Originally posted by cricketluva   Vettori will always be remembered as one of the great Kiwi players with Crowe, Cairns and Hadlee (A truly short list).

I guess Vettori is stilll to be transformed into a great...he is good no doubt