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Topic: West Indies in England (2012)Posted: 27 June 2012 at 12:53am |
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West Indies biggest problem for all of the English tour, is that # 1 - 4 in that batting line up hasn't contributed much. I reckon 80% of their runs came from # 5 - 8.
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Posted: 25 June 2012 at 5:11pm |
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Very very good knock by Hales, great find for ENgland in T20's at least. WI lose again but they looked dangerous, some heavy hitting in that game, I refuse to lose hope in this team, I think in Sri Lankan conditions they be much more dangerous, esp that their bowlers will back their batsmen there... WT20 and I still back WI to be the favorites.
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Posted: 20 June 2012 at 7:04pm |
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Yes with many top players rested, WI may win the last ODI and will have a good chance in the T20 too as all they'll need is any two of their many big hitters to come good, which is why I consider them to be Red Hot favorites for the WT20 later this year.
The good thing spinny is that the WI are on the right track now, Gayle and Simmons is a good opening pair and I think this team is going to cause some serious damage in the days to come, no doubting that... it's just a matter of time. One thing is for sure though, beating ENG in ENG is one hell of a task, Pakistan found that in 2010, India found that in 2011, WI found that recently, now can the South Africans match them shot for shot? I think, Yes.
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Posted: 20 June 2012 at 9:40am |
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Cook ton seals series win for England over Windies
To seal something playing a child man invented sports game-- isn't much of a seal!
To seal up some of the misery the poor humans on earth have, would be a well appreciated action game!
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Posted: 20 June 2012 at 7:05am |
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After the Gayle whirlwind the Windies looked pretty toothless on what was a perfect batting track. 238 was always 50 runs short , Cook didn't have to get out of 2nd gear - it was an impressive allround performance from the home team. Using the test attack is working - at no time were the Windies batsmen served up any dross. The final match could well see a Windies win though , with Bresnan , Broad and Swann getting the day off.
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Posted: 20 June 2012 at 5:27am |
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Openers are always vital to top teams. Australia had Hayden/Langer in tests, Hayden/Gilchrist in ODI's. SA had Kirsten/Gibbs, Smith/Gibbs and other good combination which is why they've always managed to be a top team for over a decade now. England got Strauss/Cook in tests, India Sehwag/Gambhir in Tests, Sehwag/Tendulkar/Gambhir ODI's. Simply put, all the teams that are in the bottom half of the table only have one or no good openers. Pakistan once had Younus, Yousuf and Inzimam in the middle, but couldn't crack the top 3 rankings. It's also why I always credit a lot of India's rise to #1 to the contribution of Gautum Gambhir. Sehwag was always good in tests, but having guys like Chopra, Jaffer etc meant Dravid/Laxman was always in too early.
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Posted: 19 June 2012 at 6:50pm |
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After some Gayle fireworks early on the West Indies surrendered meekly, Good partnership between Bravo and Pollard but the English achieved the target easily.
Disappointing result for the WI< they were at least considered to put up a far better performance in the ODI's but so far it has been nothing much of note. One reason why England are doing so well in the ODI's now is there Opening combinations, The century by Cook today is the 6th consecutive hundred by an England Opener in ODI's... something for teams like Pakistan to learn from... openers need to be world class... you simply won't win otherwise.
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Posted: 19 June 2012 at 9:17am |
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Foremost the ODI series, the Poms will have a large quantity of self-belief with them as they played out of their skins. One can be unsure that the calculation of KP Pietersen went grand with according to his motto, posted on twitter; he said “Hope Cookie & the boys go one up today!! Hope Belly is fit & collects the MOM at end of game!! Good luck guys.” Having a dreadful test team, the table-toppers of T20 cricket and Test cricket have a very physically powerful and unquestionable team in the 50-over layout of the game too. Their assurance will be sky-high as they showed proven performance in the 1st ODI. Well, it was certainly a faultless comeback from the player. Be expecting the ‘Gayle Storm’ to pull through quickly and damage his enemy. The bowling of both the teams looks high-quality, even though the Calypso kings unsuccessful to betray the rulers of Test Cricket. Ravi Rampaul has the capacity to move the ball vigorous as he gave a dazzling start before Ian Bell rang the bells of the West Indian cricket team. Dwayne Bravo also provided fine start but Ian Bell blew gone the impatience of the bowlers. Andre Russell, although gave a load of runs and will look to get better himself. The batting looks wounded with Lendl Simmons and all others batsmen too failed to carry out with liability excluding Dwayne Smith who although tried to take some responsibility but also fail. The batting at one stage fell like a house of matchsticks, although both teams are in search of wins as it will be a great contest to watch. Prediction: Expect the West Indies to fight back and square the series 1-1 Edited by Sherlock - 19 June 2012 at 9:19am |
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Posted: 19 June 2012 at 7:56am |
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So the Oval today and I'm hoping to see the rope tight up against the boards as they were in Hampshire. I don't see it as a method to restrict the Windies big hitters (the ropes are about 85 yards back and they clear 100 quite easily) , but a return to how cricket was played before T20 came to be. Seeing the rope some 20-odd yards in is just wrong - use the entire ground and watch class players turn 1's into 2's and 2's into 3's with fine placement Bell was masterly doing just that on Saturday.
It's a big ground and usually high scoring - should be worth watching today with rain unlikely to intervene. |
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Posted: 19 June 2012 at 3:19am |
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Darren Bravo goes back home, no big loss really, wasn't in the best of form. In a way, i'm happy, as it meant that Lendl Simmons can get another chance to continue his good form before he got injured.
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Posted: 18 June 2012 at 6:12pm |
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WI do have a very attacking batting line up, ENG played well in their conditions but I still believe WI have it in them to win the series, Gayle is very crucial to their chances though, even if he doesn't score runs, I think psychologically it'll give them tremendous confidence.
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Posted: 18 June 2012 at 1:59pm |
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Sledger, place was cold, Windies will never win in these sort of conditions. I'll excuse them for this one.
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Posted: 18 June 2012 at 7:20am |
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So much for the the much hyped Windies batting line up ! No Gayle , but the rest played and were easily dealt with by the English attack. Darren Bravo's injury didn't help either , but the win was a comprehensive one. A brilliant hundred from Ian Bell silenced the KP fans and Tim Bresnan's 4 wickets showed his worth. England played a 5 man test attack whilst the Windies left out their quicks in favour of trundling all rounders. It reminded me of England in bygone days where we couldn't restrict even the most average of batting line ups and shows that potent attacks is the way to go.
I'm sure the Windies will be hoping gayle makes it for tomorrow and they'll field a better attack , even at the expense of depth in the batting. No reason for England to change anything - this was a comprehensive win. |
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Posted: 11 June 2012 at 7:26pm |
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I have always maintained that Ramdin is a fine talent, I don't know what the issue was and why he was out of the team for so long, because this lad always had the ability to play big knocks. That note was unnecessary though, but then I think he got a little carried away.
Best played well but whatever chances WI had were rained off today, what is pleasing though is that now with Gayle back the WI line up for the ODI's looks stunning, this appears to be a very very formidable side now, 3-0 to WI in the ODI's, I won't be surprised at all.
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Posted: 11 June 2012 at 1:20pm |
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Surprising last wicket partnership, but pleasing from a Windian point of view. Ramdin turned it sour with that note. What would happen if he doesn't make another ton for 3 years (which is a custom for him)?? Anyhow, Windies played a lot better on this tour than I think most expected. They definitely did a better job than India did. |
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Posted: 11 June 2012 at 7:58am |
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No posts on the carnage from yesterday ! You either love or hate Tino Best , but you can never ignore him! He's arrogant and yesterday drove the English attack crazy. In fairness , he played some splendid shots , especially down the ground. Why they decided to bowl short was mystifying and allowing him and Ramdin to put on almost 150 for the final wicket was seriously annoying. Twas a pity that Best didn't crack three figures , but 95 after having a top test score of only 27 was mightily impressive.
One day to go and the Windies have an outside chance of a stunning victory. Realistically England should get the 51 needed to avoid the follow on - but daft things have happened already in this match! Maybe Flower and company will think twice about leaving out their two best bowlers in future. Well done to the visitors , that decision by Flower smacked of arrogance and could yet come back to haunt them. Edited by Sledger - 11 June 2012 at 8:07am |
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 9:10am |
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you are absolutely right spinny, we got unusual thunderstorms throughout the month of April and now the monsoons are taking a very different path as compared to normal.
Coming to the game, well I dearly hope we see some cricket today although three days may not be enough to force a result in this game, I'd like to see the captains go for some aggressive declarations should we have play on the remaining 3 days.
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 12:04am |
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Sam, weather patterns around the world have gone off target. There is no longer a dry season in the West Indies. It rained throughout the whole dry season. One Island where we play T20 cricket, the pitch has been damp on every saturday due to all the unusual rain during the week. For the last few seasons, the Hurricane season has been quite generous to us. Not as much rain/storms as people expected.
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Posted: 08 June 2012 at 7:19pm |
... and here in my city we're into the 2nd week of Monsoon season and not a drop of Rain has fallen so far... even the bore-wells have dried up... we normally get fair rainfall, don't know what's wrong this time
, won't mind if ENG can give some of their rain to us!Edited by sam_ahmed - 08 June 2012 at 7:21pm |
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God save the English Bowlers, looking at tat batting line up, threads will come out of the ball in no time. Delighted to see Gayle back!!!
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Posted: 08 June 2012 at 8:48am |
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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - bloody English summer !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wow, Windies have named a very good squad for the limited overs leg to England. Gayle and Lendl Simmons is back. Simmons seem to still be in good form after coming back from injury, smashing a quick fire 50 against India A. England's bowling will have to be spot on during those games, a lot of fire power in that side with Gayle, Simmons, Dwayne Smith, Sammy, Russell, Pollard, Dwayne Bravo.
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Posted: 04 June 2012 at 6:39am |
Tis a cruel game Clobs - I imagine he was really excited before boarding the plane to England - now he'll be glad to get home methinks! So no Jimmy Anderson for the final test and talk of resting Stuart Broad as well. Graham Onions and Steven Finn are more than capable of filling in , but the Sun reports Jimmy as wanting to play. It's a dilemma , but if he has niggles , then I'm happy to see him rested if that means he'll be firing on all cylinders against the South Africans. |
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KP's retirement from ODI's and T20's is a huge huge setback for England, as it is ENG have not been a very good team in the Limited overs format and KP was one man who, as I've always said, was a game changer, ENG will surely struggle without him, they will need to find an able replacement, Straus gone, KP gone, Freddie gone ... all of them retired well before they should have, ENG will struggle in the LOI's.
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oh Dear, poor old Kirk Edwards out for another duck in the tour match today - 20 runs in 8 innings so far. Poor sod.
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Well Sledger, there's always 2 sides of the story. The Doctor did say that Taylor was missing meetings, Jerome Taylor has denied those allegations, but from the way Holding was talking, he simply thought the WICB had an agenda - it was sensed that he didn't do any homework on the subject. Since the air was cleared on that matter, he never ranted about the Taylor issue again.
We in the Caribbean allow too much ill discipline behaviour once someone is deemed very talented, we give them too much leeway to accomodate them, which in return they do as they please. At least Holding did admit that the senior guys needed an attitude adjustment, which is what this current team is providing. Holding usually speaks very fair, but gets caught in a mess when it comes to his home of Jamaica. I have no sympathy for Taylor, even being out late at nights instead of being at home resting and trying to get his body back in shape. The WICB told him to play a full season of first class cricket to prove his body is holding up well (which I think is fair seeing he kept breaking down after every 3 game for the West Indies).
The Jamaicans and taylor supporters don't like that, saying its unfair and that its directed to one player only. WICB was constantly looking after him, taking care of all his medical bills since he broke down early in his career. They always picked him once he "appeared fit" and he always kept on breaking down.
If Chris Tremlett keeps on breaking down, I know for certain England will push him down the pecking order, in which Onions will be preferred over him. I rate Tremlett highly and I know England do also, but even Onions name is coming up ahead of him now as he's injured often.
What I can agree with Holding on, is the treatment of Sarwan and Gayle by the WICB. From what i've gathered, it indeed seem as if the WICB methods were to sabotage Gayle and Sarwan's career (not just internationally), as they were currently beating around the bush in issuing NOC for Gayle to play in the IPL. They fully knew they weren't going to pick Gayle for internationals but were still delaying the NOC in certain cases. To me, this is definitely not a good thing to do. As far as i'm concerned, the lesson has been taught to Gayle and Sarwan now, and a new attitude to the team. This would be the right time to bring them back. With the current bowling attack, another 100 runs can ensure a win for Windies. Edited by spin wizard - 30 May 2012 at 2:41pm |
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Would have been really exciting if we could have seen Gayle, Bravo and Narine in the current squad of West Indies... otherwise it looks an easy series win for England.
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Posted: 30 May 2012 at 12:56pm |
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Thanks for that SW , I learned more about Taylor in 30 seconds than I've picked up in the last 12 months! If he goes AWOL when expected at meetings and doesn't follow a fitness regime he can't get picked , simple as that.
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Not sure why people bash Gibson so much, but i'd take this currently lead bowling attack under him than all the ones I've seen for for last decade after Ambrose and Walsh left. For the last 2 years, they have probably conceded 500 runs once, and that says a lot of good things about this bowling. The batting is the biggest problem, # 1 - 4 can't buy a run at the moment and has been making the bowlers effort go to great waste.
And the WICB is not holding back Jerome Taylor. Ignore what Holding has said, he is only speaking for Jamaican sake, but Jerome Taylor even got sent home from Pune's squad in the last IPL due to injury. Was that the WICB fault?? The WICB has licensed doctor to continually check after Jerome Taylor for physiotherapy treatment, in which Jerome Taylor have skipped quite a few of those meeting. Why should the WICB then be bothered with picking him when he doesn't want to do the required work to get back to fitness?? For the record, not even his home Island of Jamaica has picked him in any competitive squad lately. Why didn't Holding criticize Jamaica for that? WICB has NO say whatsoever in the selection of regional sides. Also, it turned out that David Gower knew more than Holding on the subject. While Holding was ranting off in the commentary box, Gower just said, if he's FIT, playing, and taking wickets, then he should be in the West Indies team. Everyone know Taylor has been breaking down as soon as he's been selected again. it's been happening since 2009. Edited by spin wizard - 29 May 2012 at 11:38pm |
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