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Firstly, I'd like to congratulate the Proteas on a series win. To win a series in Austarlia is never easy and this series certainly was hard fought. In the end, it was South Africa who won the crucial moments.
Having said that, this tour also highlighted a few areas of concern. The main concern is the bowling which was pretty ordinary in the first two tests. I know the wickets were flat and Clarke and Hussey batted really well but this attack, particularly that of the pacemen is supposed to be the best in the world. In my view, the true test of how good a bowling attack is, is how they perform on batting friendly tracks. At the very least, they should be able to control the run rate, something which did not happen in Adelaide in particular. The only bowler who was consistent throughout the series was Morkel, although Steyn and Philander did bowl superbly at Perth. To say Tahir was terrible would be an understatement which was such a pity given that he was initially supposed to be South Africa's answer to an attacking spin bowler. Robbie P bowled well in his only test, but there is still some way to go. The batting generally was good. du Plessis played one of the best match saving innings you will ever see, particularly from a debutatant. Amla continued his good form from England and de Villiers played a vital role in saving the test in Adelaide and the victory in Perth not forgetting his contribution as a wicket-keeper. The only concerns would be that of the number six position, with both Rudolph and Elgar hardly contributing, but with the return of Duminy the batting lineup looks strong. Edited by vize - 06 December 2012 at 7:25pm |
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![]() ![]() ![]() anyways, great to see RSA win, Hashim and AB among the runs and the bowlers doing their job as always. RSA will be very difficult to beat, although I hope Pakistan do the impossible next year that too away from home!!! ![]() One change that I feel is necessary in the RSA line up is that of a regular wicketkeeper in place of Deal Elgar or whoever that 5th batsmen is. AB is way too overburdened by the job of wicket keeping, I'm surprised Kirsten is using him as a WK in the longer form. |
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South Africa confirm their status as the best side on the planet with a fine win in the final test. Behind the 8 ball in the 1st two tests , they sent Australia packing in quick time to win by a huge margin of over 300 runs. Amla and a returning to devasting form , de Villiers scored big hundreds 2nd time around to leave Australia reeling. No dream conclusion to his career for Ricky Ponting as he failed yet again with all the SA bowlers contributing to the big win.
So SA go unbeaten throughout 2012 - and all away from home - fantastic effort and they'll take some beating on current form. Not all doom and gloom for Australia - Clarke's form has been extraordinary and the bowling is coming on leaps and bounds. 10 tests against England next year will show exactly where they are. |
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Good solid display by RSA once again, as Dale Steyn said before the 3rd test, "The Aussies have thrown everything they had at us but they still can't beat us". It was a matter of time befor ethe proteas perform to their abilities, Hashim and AB leading the way, would expect the bowlers to do the job tomorrow!
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by the way saw a funny quote/stat by someone "Only the third time in the history of Test cricket that all 10 wickets have fallen to the same first name, after those two pals of mine, Jim and Anil"
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At 3rd day Innings break (Aus getting ready to bat) So now AUS need the magic 632 to win the game, very difficult to achieve but stranger things have happened when there are absolutely no hopes , example SA's chase of 430 odd in J'burg. Moreover last time SA set such a total, experts mocked at them , but that match came real close for an upset. AUS have nothing to lose here, I am sure they would try to go for it. If Warner fires, if Watson fires , they could really set it up.Pitch looks good though. |
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Lyon took a great catch to see Smith's back, now SA 206 for 2 in second innings with a lead of 268. Amla blazing all guns right from the start.This is just Day 2 and 12 overs to go.
3 full days to go, this could go anywhere. I want Aussies to win the match and series, coz they were by far the better side in this tour (I like SA,but this series Aussies played better,so want them to win). I don't mind even if they chase down a world record score in fourth innings (I guess that record is currently held by WI,still I don't mind if Aussies achieve it).
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RSA was second time lucky to escape with a draw, but I guess they should run out of luck soon. No doubts that SA played well t showed a great resilience, but Australia truly deserve to win this series.
Great knock by Faf, he is a good player, we saw that in initial stages of IPL, dead rubber T20 WC and now in a test when he replaced Duminey, he has come up with special knocks. However there was no weight of expectation on him, no doubt it was true test of character (this test match) but if he can do this consistently when he becomes a permanent member under the weight of expectations, then he will be great asset for SA.
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I'm not feeling well today so I can't write much, will just say well done RSA, this is why they are the No.1 side in the world and this is why I think they'll stay there for a long time!!!
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What a fine test match this was - rivetting from start to finish. I didn't expect SA to bat the day out , that they did says a lot for de Villiers , du Plessis and Kallis. Faf deserves a huge ovation for his hundred on debut and under such pressure. The pitch played pretty nicely , only the odd ball keeping low and no massive turn , but that doesn't detract from some seriously good batting. The 1st session was always going to be critical and that they batted through it without losing a wicket must have given the South Africans a lot of hope that they could secure the draw.
Australia will feel they've missed out here , but Clarke's positivity (and fabulous knock) will mean they'll still be going for broke in Perth. No Kallis will be a blow and Rudolph looks shaky , so they'll be concerned. They must think of bringing a keeper in and allowing de Villiers to bat at 5 - in fact with the squad they've got , I don't think they've any other option. de Villiers' average has plummetted since taking over the gloves - that should be enough for Kirsten to act. Let's hope for good weather and a typically quick Perth pitch - if that happens I think it'll be a classic and one I don't expect to end in a draw. Well done SA , unlucky Oz - great match ! |
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Tough task for RSA, although AB and Faf are there and Kallis to come it looks way too difficult a task to bat out the entire day tomorrow, RSA have played poorly though, they'll have to win at Perth to hang on to that No.1 ranking, and they will be going there without Kallis.
Not at all impressed by Jacques Rudolph, he has been very ineffective, Duminy and Kallis' injuries mean they may stick with him for Perth too, I think Ashwell Prince should have been in the squad at least, or may be Colin Ingram.
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Tahir's tally of 10 matches and 26 wickets, forget wickets he has been mighty ineffective.I think time is running out for him. Paul Harris has 103 wickets from 37 matches.
Will Botha get a chance again ? I fear SA have a problem , they don't have a quality spinner.
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Aussies set 430 to win for SA. Pattinson and Hilfy were having fun of SA bowling attack, Clarke should have extended it.
With 140 overs to go,it's bit of carrot for SA to go for victory. History says it is very very difficult, but not impossible, esp when there are players like Kallis (even though injured) and Amala in the side. I want Aussies to win this one here and get back to No 1 ranking.
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This match has really come alive, there are 2 days still left so most definately we will have a result now, all depends on how well Clarke and Hussey play for the Aussies and Amla, Kallis and AB bat in RSA's second innings, with all due respect to the other players I think these 5 will hold the key.
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At 55-3 Aus were reeling, then two big partnership take them to 481 for 4, experts say this could be a run fest at both the ends.
Then Aus collapse from 482 to 550 on the same pitch . SA start very good with 138 runs partnership, everything looks good , but again Aus claws back with 270 for 7, then comes Du Plessis and Kallis resuce act to avoid follow on and give some respectability to the score. Aus in second dig again tottering at 103 with half the side gone. A Handy lead of 273. So what does all these indicate --> Play well and win , some hardly understand.
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RSA are a tough team mystery, the No.1 team in the world and believe me they'll stay there for a long time. Good fightback by the proteas, Smith leading the way although their best batsmen Hashim had a rare failure, there is plenty of batting to come still, we could well be looking at another draw. The pace at which the Aussies scored their runs have left enough time in the game though.
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Honestly Sam no matter how good you are its always difficult to comeback in the game while 700 runs in on the board plus i really don't think its a flat pitch if you bowl well you will get rewards. I am sure once Australia comes on to bowl it will look a very different pitch.
Anyone 400 for Clarke? Edited by mystery - 22 November 2012 at 7:26pm |
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Normally it hurts me only when Pakistan gets thrashed but today, and RSA are one of my most favorite teams, it did hurt to see them get dismantled like this, all the while I was thinking let Hashim and Kallis come out there to bat and they will make you suffer for two days in the field, and I mean it, I think Kallis, Hashim, AB and Smith will take this as a challenge and fire back at the Aussies, their ego's must have been hit today, this is a proud team and nobody gives them such a thrashing, they will fire back hard.
as much as it hurt watching RSA get thrashed, it was a pleasure to see Michael Clarke in that sort of form, absolutely majestic, congratulations to Clarke on his 4th double ton in a calender year, fabulous, mind blowing, amazing, brilliant... I'm just lost for words!!! what a cricketer!!! ![]() |
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Australia are back and back in a BIG way !!! It's been a long time since I've seen an attack dismantled throughout 2 and a half sessions ! That the attack is South Africa's makes todays effort all the more extraordinary. Steyn was okay without really threatening , Kallis was excellent before breaking down , but Morkel and Tahir got the hammering of their careers!
At the close of play Australia had taken the total to 482-5 when Hussey was out to Steyn 0 a run rate of 5.5 per over!! This was achieved after floundering at 55-3 ! That wicket of Ponting was a serious error by the visitors because it brought the magician that is Michael Clarke to the wicket. He must be seeing that ball like a football becuase he caned all bowlers from ball one , recording his 4TH double century of the year - something that's NEVER been done in test cricket before !! His strokeplay was out of the top drawer and I have to say he's now approaching one of the classiest batsman I've evr seen - truly brilliant! Strokes all around the wicket , my personal favourite being his inside out drive through the covers - a thing of real beauty. Not to be outdone , Warner and Hussey also completed their centuries in double quick time too - it really was a slaughter out there! The pitch is a belter and I'm not saying SA are dead and buried yet , but it's looking like 700 and Kallis won't bowl again. Even Steyn went off with a pulled hamstring , but did come back in the afternoon. Clarke is still there and a triple century cannot be discounted. Tahir won't sleep tonight and Morkel will toss and turn as well! I'llbe up at 2am tomorrow - watching Clarke bat is as good as it gets - imagine if they'd made him captain 3 years ago , England wouldn't have won 2 Ashes series !! Edited by Sledger - 22 November 2012 at 12:07pm |
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while Sanga, Clarke, Cook and all look naturally gifted what impresses me about Hashim is his sheer determination and the concentration with which he plays. RSA have this luxury now of Hashim Amla, he is one man who seems to perform for them no matter what the situation and conditions.
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Right at this moment, as in very, very recent performances, I rate Sanga and Clarke. IN terms of the last 12 months I dare say Amla is no.1.
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No Mikey, that's because you said he is ahead of Amla, Kohli and Kallis and that is why I was a bit surprised. I initially said Clarke, Kohli and Amla are about at par with each other but didn't mention Sanga, again Kohli's test credentials are yet to be proven.
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Why are you directly comparing him to Amla? I never said he was performing better than Amla, all I said was that he is in the top 5 and you can't mention top batsmen without mentioning him. You'd especially mention him before Kohli...
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Alright Mikey finally I've gone through his
latest innings, here they are: (his innings since Sep'11)
Kumar Sangakkara - Tests: 5 hundreds and 5 half centuries in 24
innings... AVG 64.40
ODI’s 3 Hundreds and 8 Half centuries AVG 42.96
Hashim Amla - Tests: 5 hundreds and 4 half centuries in 20 innings... AVG 66.16
ODI’s 2 Hundreds and 5 Half centuries AVG 68.54
Top Test Averages since Sep’11
M Clarke 72.90 H Amla 66.16 K Sangakkara 64.40 Y Khan 59.25
Top ODI Averages since Sep’11
B Taylor 82.42 MS Dhoni 78.09 H Amla
68.54 V Kohli 66.65 May be I was right, Sanga has been good but there is nothing absolutely extraordinary about him! Edited by sam_ahmed - 15 November 2012 at 5:46pm |
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They can pick a 4th seamer, but he needs to be quality. Kleinveldt was barely hitting 130kph at times, looks so out of shape and was bowling a lot of no balls. I don't know if it was nerves or that he simply is not good enough. Philander and Morkel can both bat, so have them at 8 and 9 - SA has good batting depth in their top 7, especially with AB keeping rather than a keeper-batsman.
Also Sam, you're living under a rock if you haven't seen Kumar in tests lately and adjudged him to be right up there! In his last three tests against Pakistan he scored 192, 199no and 74! C'mon Sam, where are you hiding!? Edited by Mikey - 15 November 2012 at 3:06am |
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I only see 2 reason behind playing Kleinveldt - First due to his batting powers as Tahir is a true 11 and 2nd is that Steyn and Morkel can be really expensive and from Tahir you always expect him to go over 4 with wickets or without it plus Kalis was not 100% and actually they were rating Duminy as a better spin option as he is much more accurate plus he is a very decent spinner he is more than a part timer so they were not completely wrong but the problem is Kleinveldt is very ordinary. Duminy might not be big star but still without him in the side it really affect the balance even with Tahir.
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I really don't know what special Sanga has done, I do watch SLN cricket but may be I just didn't notice, I really was surprised when he got the player of the year award, I know he is good but I haven't noticed him as much as I have noticed Hashim, Kohli and Clarke. As for Kallis, he is always there, a true legend.
Spinny if you are talking about Merchant De Lange, then he is injured. I really like the way Spinny makes his comments, "why do big experience men make such mistakes" seriously sometimes even i feel when an ordinary person like me cannot see any logic in the decision (of playing 5 seamers), how do they make such mistakes and yes mystery, I agree Kohli hasn't set things on fire in test matches, but honestly looking at his form and the class he has, he will make it big even at test level.
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Why SA played a 4 prong attack is way beyond me, seeing that you have Kallis in your side?? Why do big experience men make such errors?? Tahir hasn't really ran through sides as yet but still worth the play when you have 3 top pacers + a very quality fast bowling all rounder.
I also agree with Mikey, I tried to see what the hype about Kleinveldt was but I couldn't see it. There is another SA seamer but I can't remember his name, he recently played for them (can't remember which format) and he was hitting the deck extremely hard and bowling very fast from a simple run up. Is he injured or something??
And Aussies middle order good indeed with Clarke and Hussey there. Hussey is one of my favourite players, doesn't have much apparent reason and has been prolific in all formats for most of his Int. career. I think his consistency is on par or even better than some greats. Hussey rarely scores big centuries and to still maintain a 50+ average tells of his consistency. Top player.
in regards to best batsman around, you can't look past Hashim Amla. He just does it too easily. The guy scores at a run a ball in ODI's with little effort.
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Yes Sam but i guess than the same situation is for Kohli too he has done nothing in Test so solo on Odi's cant be good enough that is why - Amla/Kallis for me are the top 2 players i would want to see they pick in any team and really Kallis is not a single player he is 2in1 be it 1 over match or 100 still Kallis would be good enough. Honestly people say there wont be another Bradman but really if anyone can get half of what Kallis has done he should be given a special award - |
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Not sure if you're being serious about Sanga... He just one player of the year for good reason.
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